Monthly Archives: May 2008
There’s a tremendous allure in numerical growth. Numbers look cool. We look cool when the roster says, “600″ or “6,000″. We must be doing something right, right? But I would ask the question, “Are we creating baby factories?” Does our numerical growth come at the expense of the real responsibility of parenting that leads to maturity? Getting people in the door is the easy part. Leading them through the spiritual formation to maturity is the hard part. Are we parenting them in a way that leads to perpetual immaturity?
And I get the allure of new converts. Having a baby is a really cool experience. The day my daughter was born radically changed my life. It’s new and wonderful and awe inspiring to see new person just arrive. But that moment in the hospital is the beginning, not the end. Birth is the beginning of a long journey that ends when my children can reproduce maturity, not a baby. Making babies can take six minutes. Making healthy adults takes a lifetime . . .
And my wonder over the last ten years is have we abandoned the parenting process in our practice of spiritual formation. Have we forgotten the need to create elders and instead chosen to have lots of babies, only to create a world that is deeply immature and incapable of mature reproduction.
Jesus spent three years with twelve people, an astounding thought in today’s …
Last weekend I was talking about Element with a guy who by his own admission previously hated Christians. He said, “You don’t understand how this has changed my life.”
God could have taken me home right there.
From Shaun Groves:
I’ve seen the strange. I’ve seen a worship leader in sun glasses and a sequined suit slide across a stage twirling a microphone. I’ve seen cars, pirate ships and diving boards in sanctuaries.
I’ve seen the bad. I’ve seen a pastor promise a good sugar beat harvest to farmers in Wyoming if only their teen children will stop having sex and smoking. I’ve seen luxury cars promised to those who’ll give all the money in their bank accounts to the church.
But never, in the last seven years, have I seen this.
I’m at 100 churches a year right now. I try to ask someone on staff at every one of them what their church is already doing across the street and on the other side of the world to meet spiritual and physical needs. I ask for lots of reasons. I want to know if I’m speaking to a group of people who are in the habit of giving and thinking of those outside their church. I want to know if they hear about the poor in this place. I want to know if there’s already a habit of giving and serving. I want to know if there’s a theological foundation already regarding poverty and compassion present I can build on or if I have to lay that myself. I need to know what I’m dealing with because my time is short and I have to make the …
Yesterday I linked to Ray Ortlund’s modest proposal, and I suggested that although it is a nice idea, it would never happen for reasons that would make me sound like a jerk if elucidated.It occurs to me now that my silence may have implied I didn’t want to sound like a jerk to Dr. Ortlund. That is not the case at all. I didn’t want to repeat the same “woe is the Church” stuff I’m getting tired of myself, lest I seem like a jerk toward other churches.
But that was yesterday.
The reason I don’t think it would happen/work is because the average evangelical church already thinks it’s correcting the previous generation’s evangelistic errors. They already believe they are delighting the world with Jesus. “I mean, gee, look, we’ve got fog machines and power pop songs. We’re all about the fun. And as far as disturbing people with Jesus goes, just look at all the religious people who are uncomfortable here. We’re doing our job! We’re just like Jesus.”
Or so I imagine it would go.
See, my hunch would be that most churches would sign such a thing already believing they’re part of the solution (and that would include myself). But many of them are mistaken (and that could include myself, admittedly).
Overheard at two different blogs yesterday:
“Creating an over the top experience for our guests isn’t just a talking point, it’s a driving force behind Sunday mornings.”
“I’m sick and tired of Las Vegas and Hollywood outdoing the church.”
The candidate I’m voting for brings the funny:
The Heresy posts on the Church’s mixed priorities in what it “measures”:
Now imagine a school that measured how much people enjoyed the classes, how great the day care was, how inspiring the teacher was, the levels of enrolment and the amount of funding they had but only passively cared about the success of their graduates in the workplace. That my friends describes most of the church in North America today.
We need to change what we measure and how we measure our success.
· Do people have a proper understanding of the gospel?
· Do they love the people that can offer them nothing in return?
· Are people willing to sacrifice for others?
· Are people becoming more like Christ in their values and behaviour?
· Do they have life and freedom?
If we considered these things, we would realize the state we are in and we would change. As long as we measure things based on our own personal satisfaction or by the markers of organizational success we will miss the point.
(HT: Dying Church)
Some quality links to get your week started off right . . .
Bill’s post on The Missing Piece wins best post of the month so far honors.
This is a nice idea, but it will never happen (on a grand scale) for reasons I won’t speculate on lest I come across as a jerk on this fine Monday morning.
Rob Harrison contributes to the missional conversation. (If you’re not reading Rob, you should.)
Michael Spencer may be closing up on shop on The Internet Monk site and opening a new one called Jesus-Shaped Spirituality. Which is fine by me, so long as he keeps writing.(Write that book while you have the time, iMonk!)
Glenn Lucke on the Come As You Are Church.Good stuff there relevant to those doing ministry with and to young adults.
Don’t miss out on the latest installment of Rules of Awesomely Bold Leadership. You are sure to be edified.
Josh, David, Sarah, and I visited Kairos last night, an awesome young adult ministry sponsored by Brentwood Baptist Church here in Nashville. The worship service was a fantastic example of God-centered singing and cross-centered teaching, which is always an encouragement to us, because gospel-centered churches are few and far between even here in the Bible belt. To see a big group of mostly college students and young professionals — more than 1/3 of which have no church background — engaging in the exaltation of Christ and the exposition of Scripture is great cause for hope.
After the service, Pastor Mike Glenn and the Kairos team were gracious enough to meet with us and were very generous with their time. I know the exhaustion that kicks in after the adrenaline burst of preaching and leading a worship service, so the fact that they stayed for several hours afterwards to make us feel welcome and counseled was amazing.
The Element team learned a lot and were greatly encouraged. We found out we have quite a bit more in common with Kairos’ philosophy and story than we realized. They shared, they listened, they encouraged. They talked about starting with 12 people and a big idea. They talked about protecting the worship culture of the community. They talked about nurturing a discipleship culture of a distinct community within a church with a very different culture. And then they prayed for us.
This meeting came four days after my having another sit-down with Ray …
When God looks down on this world, what moves him to compassion? One thing is the sight of a world with too few churches. Too few Christ-honoring, Bible-believing, revival-ready, open-hearted, welcoming churches. Is there one city in all this world with too many such churches? I have no assurance that God thinks so.
A truth too often overlooked in our times, especially by those who invent parachurch ministries, is that churches are God’s only biblically authorized strategy for world redemption. Churches are his Plan A, and he has revealed no Plan B. Where in all the Bible are we authorized by God to create rivals to his church? I do not invalidate parachurch (that is, side-bar) ministries. I gave nine years of my life to one, and with a happy conscience too. But every parachurch ministry must openly support, rather than challenge, the churches within its scope of influence. Every Christian and every ministry everywhere must have a passion for the unique prestige of the church in the revealed ways of God.
At a practical level, churches require more patience and humility. Maybe that’s why Christians invent alternatives. But there’s just this one truth to give us pause: “Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.”
Someone emailed me a few weeks back asking my opinion on the so-called Florida Revival. That was the first I’d heard of it. (If you’re reading this, friend, I’m sorry I have misplaced your email and don’t remember who you were, but as it happens, my response at the time would have been an unhelpful “Never heard of it.”)
I don’t know all that much about it now. But since then I’ve read more on it here and there.
Three things I should mention:a) I’m not now nor have I ever been a charismatic, but I am a continuationist, theologically speaking. That is, I don’t believe the charismatic gifts described in Scriptural history ceased at the closing of the canon (or any other time).b) That said, I am pretty much knee-jerk suspicious of most reported “outpourings” like this, and I tend to think charismatics/Pentecostals could gain a whole lot more sympathy for their cause if they stopped jumping on every freakshow bandwagon that popped up.c) That said, I am not eager to malign the character or impugn the motives of people I don’t know or know much about.
But here’s my opinion:It sounds satanic.
I’m trying to take a look at original sources (actual writings by Todd Bentley, actual video clips) and not rely on critical accounts, but the original sources aren’t helping the case for authentic revival.
When the “angels” visiting Bentley aren’t spouting bland Chicken Soup for the Charismatic Soul platitudes, they’re teaching him bad theology. And is it any surprise to anyone …