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		<title>By: Matt Branaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Branaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 14:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared,

Thanks for tackling this important topic. Your readers may be interested to learn more about child abuse prevention programs and abuse reporting laws for church leaders. These resources from Christianity Today can help:

* Reducing The Risk: http://ReducingTheRisk.com

* Reducing The Risk kit: http://store.churchlawtodaystore.com/seabpr.html

* The 2012 Child Abuse Reporting Laws for Churches: http://store.churchlawtodaystore.com/20chabrelafo3.html

Best,

Matt Branaugh
Christianity Today&#039;s Church Law &amp; Tax Group</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared,</p>
<p>Thanks for tackling this important topic. Your readers may be interested to learn more about child abuse prevention programs and abuse reporting laws for church leaders. These resources from Christianity Today can help:</p>
<p>* Reducing The Risk: <a href="http://ReducingTheRisk.com" rel="nofollow">http://ReducingTheRisk.com</a></p>
<p>* Reducing The Risk kit: <a href="http://store.churchlawtodaystore.com/seabpr.html" rel="nofollow">http://store.churchlawtodaystore.com/seabpr.html</a></p>
<p>* The 2012 Child Abuse Reporting Laws for Churches: <a href="http://store.churchlawtodaystore.com/20chabrelafo3.html" rel="nofollow">http://store.churchlawtodaystore.com/20chabrelafo3.html</a></p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Matt Branaugh<br />
Christianity Today&#8217;s Church Law &amp; Tax Group</p>
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		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/gospeldrivenchurch/2012/12/13/safeguarding-against-abuse-in-the-church/#comment-9847</link>
		<dc:creator>Cultivating a Gracious Climate in Your Church &#8211; Gospel Driven Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 01:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Related: The Welcome of Grace Safeguarding Against Abuse in the Church Stay Messy, My Friends How to Almost Guarantee Your Children Will Run in the Opposite Direction [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Safeguarding against abuse in the church &#171; Notes from a Small Place</title>
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		<dc:creator>Safeguarding against abuse in the church &#171; Notes from a Small Place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wilson has an absolutely fantastic post on the topic over at TGC: Yet another story in the news about a church that botched report of [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Friday’s 5 to Live By &#124; Biblical Counseling Coalition Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jared C. Wilson shares 10 wise principles for Safeguarding Against Abuse in the Church. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JohnM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 00:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you have indeed misrepresented my theology, on purpose or not I don&#039;t know. In any case - By which of my fruits am I saved? By none, but rather by the propitiating sacrifice of Jesus on my behalf and through faith in Him. My hope is in the resurrection, which hope I don&#039;t deserve and would not have at all apart from the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ. You confuse (or pretend to, again, I don&#039;t know)cause with results. 

Side note: As for &quot;big words&quot;, once again you may be pretending, for some reason some people take a perverse pride in ignorance - it&#039;s a kind of reverse snobbery really. If you really don&#039;t know the meaning of something that&#039;s no shame, but get a dictionary. You&#039;re not really dumb so don&#039;t be intellectually lazy.

I take Jesus at His word when I read John 6:29, and also when I read John 5:28-29. Do you? I believe, with joy, what Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8 and also take seriously what he tells us in Ephesians 5:5-7, in Galatians 5:19-21, and Galatians 6:7. I wish more of the whole counsel of God had been pointed out to me earlier in my life. Or maybe it was and I was just blinkered by a few cherry-picked verses. Don&#039;t you be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you have indeed misrepresented my theology, on purpose or not I don&#8217;t know. In any case &#8211; By which of my fruits am I saved? By none, but rather by the propitiating sacrifice of Jesus on my behalf and through faith in Him. My hope is in the resurrection, which hope I don&#8217;t deserve and would not have at all apart from the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ. You confuse (or pretend to, again, I don&#8217;t know)cause with results. </p>
<p>Side note: As for &#8220;big words&#8221;, once again you may be pretending, for some reason some people take a perverse pride in ignorance &#8211; it&#8217;s a kind of reverse snobbery really. If you really don&#8217;t know the meaning of something that&#8217;s no shame, but get a dictionary. You&#8217;re not really dumb so don&#8217;t be intellectually lazy.</p>
<p>I take Jesus at His word when I read John 6:29, and also when I read John 5:28-29. Do you? I believe, with joy, what Paul tells us in Ephesians 2:8 and also take seriously what he tells us in Ephesians 5:5-7, in Galatians 5:19-21, and Galatians 6:7. I wish more of the whole counsel of God had been pointed out to me earlier in my life. Or maybe it was and I was just blinkered by a few cherry-picked verses. Don&#8217;t you be.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/gospeldrivenchurch/2012/12/13/safeguarding-against-abuse-in-the-church/#comment-8694</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Written by an evangelical minister. Worth reading the whole thing. 

&quot;We evangelicals must accept that our beliefs are now in conflict with the mainstream culture. We cannot change ancient doctrines to adapt to the currents of the day. But we can, and must, adapt the way we hold our beliefs — with grace and humility instead of superior hostility. The core evangelical belief is that love and forgiveness are freely available to all who trust in Jesus Christ. This is the “good news” from which the evangelical name originates (“euangelion” is a Greek word meaning “glad tidings” or “good news”). Instead of offering hope, many evangelicals have claimed the role of moral gatekeeper, judge and jury. If we continue in that posture, we will continue to invite opposition and obscure the “good news” we are called to proclaim.We evangelicals must accept that our beliefs are now in conflict with the mainstream culture. We cannot change ancient doctrines to adapt to the currents of the day. But we can, and must, adapt the way we hold our beliefs — with grace and humility instead of superior hostility. The core evangelical belief is that love and forgiveness are freely available to all who trust in Jesus Christ. This is the “good news” from which the evangelical name originates (“euangelion” is a Greek word meaning “glad tidings” or “good news”). Instead of offering hope, many evangelicals have claimed the role of moral gatekeeper, judge and jury. If we continue in that posture, we will continue to invite opposition and obscure the “good news” we are called to proclaim.&quot;

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/the-decline-of-evangelical-america.html?pagewanted=all&amp;_r=0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Written by an evangelical minister. Worth reading the whole thing. </p>
<p>&#8220;We evangelicals must accept that our beliefs are now in conflict with the mainstream culture. We cannot change ancient doctrines to adapt to the currents of the day. But we can, and must, adapt the way we hold our beliefs — with grace and humility instead of superior hostility. The core evangelical belief is that love and forgiveness are freely available to all who trust in Jesus Christ. This is the “good news” from which the evangelical name originates (“euangelion” is a Greek word meaning “glad tidings” or “good news”). Instead of offering hope, many evangelicals have claimed the role of moral gatekeeper, judge and jury. If we continue in that posture, we will continue to invite opposition and obscure the “good news” we are called to proclaim.We evangelicals must accept that our beliefs are now in conflict with the mainstream culture. We cannot change ancient doctrines to adapt to the currents of the day. But we can, and must, adapt the way we hold our beliefs — with grace and humility instead of superior hostility. The core evangelical belief is that love and forgiveness are freely available to all who trust in Jesus Christ. This is the “good news” from which the evangelical name originates (“euangelion” is a Greek word meaning “glad tidings” or “good news”). Instead of offering hope, many evangelicals have claimed the role of moral gatekeeper, judge and jury. If we continue in that posture, we will continue to invite opposition and obscure the “good news” we are called to proclaim.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/the-decline-of-evangelical-america.html?pagewanted=all&#038;_r=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/the-decline-of-evangelical-america.html?pagewanted=all&#038;_r=0</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John M.,

This is a great Tim Keller sermon on the dangers of prideful religion. The Flannery O&#039;connor story pretty much sums it up. Can you believe a liberal would listen to Keller? Maybe I&#039;m more orthodox than you think. Grab a pair of heads phones. Great sermon for those who are so sure they are going to heaven. I would love to hear your thoughts especially on the Flannery Oconnor reference.  

http://sermons2.redeemer.com/sermons/losing-my-religion-why-christians-should-drop-their-religion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John M.,</p>
<p>This is a great Tim Keller sermon on the dangers of prideful religion. The Flannery O&#8217;connor story pretty much sums it up. Can you believe a liberal would listen to Keller? Maybe I&#8217;m more orthodox than you think. Grab a pair of heads phones. Great sermon for those who are so sure they are going to heaven. I would love to hear your thoughts especially on the Flannery Oconnor reference.  </p>
<p><a href="http://sermons2.redeemer.com/sermons/losing-my-religion-why-christians-should-drop-their-religion" rel="nofollow">http://sermons2.redeemer.com/sermons/losing-my-religion-why-christians-should-drop-their-religion</a></p>
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		<title>By: JeffS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeffS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is sadly hilarious when people want to turn the Good News into the Bad News.&quot;

John, no one is turning the Good News into Bad News. The Good News is that God has provided salvation from those who repent, and this is grace based, not merit based. The Good News also is that God cares about the oppressed and desires for them to be protected and restored.

What you are not seeing is the consequence that your &quot;quick to restore&quot; theology has on victims of evil. I have read story after story of an abused spouse was  was beaten by her husband, went to her pastor, and her pastor told her that her husband was sorry so she needed to submit to him. And if she didn&#039;t, then SHE was in sin. Or stories of child molesters who remained in the church in good standing, expecting their victims to move on and forgive- and then they do it again. Or how about a three year old who was forced by the church to &quot;forgive&quot; sexual abuse? 

I absolutely believe that God can restore and heal the repentant rapist, but a truly repentant heart does not cry &quot;you must forgive me&quot;. A truly repentant heart agrees with God about the evil it has done. A truly repentant heart does does not feel a sense of entitlement. Saying &quot;Yes, I sinned, but you are a sinner too&quot; is not repentance.

Repentance isn&#039;t something a person just speaks, but it shows up in his or her actions. And yes, an abuser can show false repentance for a while, so we have to be wary. Someone who has demonstrated the ability to destroy another human being to satisfy his or her own sense of entitlement can certainly fake it for a while. When the safety and well being of a victim is on the line, repentance of an abuser must not be accepted lightly. And even at that, laws must be obeyed and justice done. 

Our first priority must be to the victims. How many times in scripture has God commanded that his people be about justice? Not just punishing the wicked, but restoring the oppressed. When we quickly overlook the oppression of rape, violence, or other forms of abuse, we are not doing justice on behalf of the oppressed- we are siding with the oppressor.

The Good News includes being a people who protected and defend the weak. If it isn&#039;t, then the Good News becomes Bad News to the oppressed who will find no relief in God&#039;s people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is sadly hilarious when people want to turn the Good News into the Bad News.&#8221;</p>
<p>John, no one is turning the Good News into Bad News. The Good News is that God has provided salvation from those who repent, and this is grace based, not merit based. The Good News also is that God cares about the oppressed and desires for them to be protected and restored.</p>
<p>What you are not seeing is the consequence that your &#8220;quick to restore&#8221; theology has on victims of evil. I have read story after story of an abused spouse was  was beaten by her husband, went to her pastor, and her pastor told her that her husband was sorry so she needed to submit to him. And if she didn&#8217;t, then SHE was in sin. Or stories of child molesters who remained in the church in good standing, expecting their victims to move on and forgive- and then they do it again. Or how about a three year old who was forced by the church to &#8220;forgive&#8221; sexual abuse? </p>
<p>I absolutely believe that God can restore and heal the repentant rapist, but a truly repentant heart does not cry &#8220;you must forgive me&#8221;. A truly repentant heart agrees with God about the evil it has done. A truly repentant heart does does not feel a sense of entitlement. Saying &#8220;Yes, I sinned, but you are a sinner too&#8221; is not repentance.</p>
<p>Repentance isn&#8217;t something a person just speaks, but it shows up in his or her actions. And yes, an abuser can show false repentance for a while, so we have to be wary. Someone who has demonstrated the ability to destroy another human being to satisfy his or her own sense of entitlement can certainly fake it for a while. When the safety and well being of a victim is on the line, repentance of an abuser must not be accepted lightly. And even at that, laws must be obeyed and justice done. </p>
<p>Our first priority must be to the victims. How many times in scripture has God commanded that his people be about justice? Not just punishing the wicked, but restoring the oppressed. When we quickly overlook the oppression of rape, violence, or other forms of abuse, we are not doing justice on behalf of the oppressed- we are siding with the oppressor.</p>
<p>The Good News includes being a people who protected and defend the weak. If it isn&#8217;t, then the Good News becomes Bad News to the oppressed who will find no relief in God&#8217;s people.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many actions? What kind? Can you tell me where the line is? I&#039;m sure you would fall on the right side of it. Funny how that works. Name the top three fruits of your life that are going to get you into heaven. Name the top three actions that would keep you out of heaven? Be honest. I would like to know so that I can be sure to get in according to John M.&#039;s standards. Be careful puttin yourself on the judgement seat of God. Can a rapist ever be saved? An adulterer? A murderer? A cheating tax collector? I just don&#039;t see much humility out of you. &quot; For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans. What exactly is your theology if I have misrepresented it. Try to use small words. I&#039;m not that smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many actions? What kind? Can you tell me where the line is? I&#8217;m sure you would fall on the right side of it. Funny how that works. Name the top three fruits of your life that are going to get you into heaven. Name the top three actions that would keep you out of heaven? Be honest. I would like to know so that I can be sure to get in according to John M.&#8217;s standards. Be careful puttin yourself on the judgement seat of God. Can a rapist ever be saved? An adulterer? A murderer? A cheating tax collector? I just don&#8217;t see much humility out of you. &#8221; For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans. What exactly is your theology if I have misrepresented it. Try to use small words. I&#8217;m not that smart.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I don&#039;t need to cite anything to support theology to which I don&#039;t subscribe. Salvation is by grace through faith - and actions indicate the reality of faith. I urge you read all of what Jesus said, and at the same time read the entire bible, not holding to a Jesus-never-personally-said doctrine, which is more commonly associated with scripture rejecting liberals.  Anyway, since time and space are short, and you wanted a reference, read Matthew 7:21-23. Notice the emphasis on doing, not mere saying. And note reference to lawlesness. But like I said read the entire bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I don&#8217;t need to cite anything to support theology to which I don&#8217;t subscribe. Salvation is by grace through faith &#8211; and actions indicate the reality of faith. I urge you read all of what Jesus said, and at the same time read the entire bible, not holding to a Jesus-never-personally-said doctrine, which is more commonly associated with scripture rejecting liberals.  Anyway, since time and space are short, and you wanted a reference, read Matthew 7:21-23. Notice the emphasis on doing, not mere saying. And note reference to lawlesness. But like I said read the entire bible.</p>
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