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	<title>Comments on: Is the Church Full of Hypocrites?</title>
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		<title>By: Josh Gelatt</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-52020</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Gelatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that those who insist that the church is *full* of hypocrites have made no attempt (as in &#039;absolutely zero&#039;) to actually interact with Sproul&#039;s article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that those who insist that the church is *full* of hypocrites have made no attempt (as in &#8216;absolutely zero&#8217;) to actually interact with Sproul&#8217;s article.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Gelatt</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-52019</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Gelatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. So much for rationale discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. So much for rationale discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: Sixta Quantus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sixta Quantus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes- the church (as a human institution) IS full of hypocrites. period. that&#039;s all there is to it. end of discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes- the church (as a human institution) IS full of hypocrites. period. that&#8217;s all there is to it. end of discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: The Church and Hypocrisy &#171; Alétheia</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51978</link>
		<dc:creator>The Church and Hypocrisy &#171; Alétheia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah Dusenberry</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51974</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah Dusenberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it fair to ask whether or not the distinction between sheep and goats play a part in this discussion?  Or would that be considered a distraction from the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it fair to ask whether or not the distinction between sheep and goats play a part in this discussion?  Or would that be considered a distraction from the point?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Gelatt</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51961</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Gelatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

I would agree with you.  My guess is that Sproul is taking the word &quot;full&quot; (as in, &#039;the church is full of hypocrites&#039;) quite literally.  So, I&#039;m not sure he would object to the statement that &quot;there are ALOT of hypocrites in the church&quot;.  My guess is that he would say &quot;Of course there are a lot&quot;.

But, again, I can&#039;t quite follow your examples.  Your illustration of premarital sex breaks down in numerous ways.  So just because a couple sinned 20 years ago and had premarital sex they can no longer affirm its sinfulness today and remind other younger Christians to abstain? If they do is that hypocritical? Not according to the definition Sproul gave.  Is failing to admit their prior sinfulness to everyone who asks also hypocritical (first off, who actually asks people that stuff? Have you ever walked up to a couple and asked if they waited?  I certainly havn&#039;t). Also, aren&#039;t we specifically commanded by Paul to judge those inside the body of Christ (the answer is yes, btw).  So, it seems you believe that a godly couple, who may have had premarital sex, is somehow forbidden from ever confronting a young Christian couple who is living in sexual sin lest they be charged with hypocrisy.  

I do agree with you more than you know.  The church has many hypocrites, just as it has many liars and those struggling with pride.  But, the two examples you cited are the farthest thing from hypocrisy.  I think Sproul is just trying to get us to use the word correctly and stop flinging it at anybody and everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>I would agree with you.  My guess is that Sproul is taking the word &#8220;full&#8221; (as in, &#8216;the church is full of hypocrites&#8217;) quite literally.  So, I&#8217;m not sure he would object to the statement that &#8220;there are ALOT of hypocrites in the church&#8221;.  My guess is that he would say &#8220;Of course there are a lot&#8221;.</p>
<p>But, again, I can&#8217;t quite follow your examples.  Your illustration of premarital sex breaks down in numerous ways.  So just because a couple sinned 20 years ago and had premarital sex they can no longer affirm its sinfulness today and remind other younger Christians to abstain? If they do is that hypocritical? Not according to the definition Sproul gave.  Is failing to admit their prior sinfulness to everyone who asks also hypocritical (first off, who actually asks people that stuff? Have you ever walked up to a couple and asked if they waited?  I certainly havn&#8217;t). Also, aren&#8217;t we specifically commanded by Paul to judge those inside the body of Christ (the answer is yes, btw).  So, it seems you believe that a godly couple, who may have had premarital sex, is somehow forbidden from ever confronting a young Christian couple who is living in sexual sin lest they be charged with hypocrisy.  </p>
<p>I do agree with you more than you know.  The church has many hypocrites, just as it has many liars and those struggling with pride.  But, the two examples you cited are the farthest thing from hypocrisy.  I think Sproul is just trying to get us to use the word correctly and stop flinging it at anybody and everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hoos</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hoos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, 99% of the people who call Christians hypocrites are doing so because they object to us not meeting the standards we believe in. Frankly, it doesn&#039;t seem very helpful to me for Sproul to define hypocrite differently than accusers define it. You&#039;re not really interacting with them and so your argument kinda becomes fruitless. The fact of the matter is that Christians, like any other human being, don&#039;t do the things they ought to do and do the things that they ought not to do. We are sinners and hypocrites that by the grace of God have been forgiven. It doesn&#039;t help to argue with an accuser that you aren&#039;t a hypocrite. (How is that different from self-justification?) It&#039;s better to just grant the premise and point to the ongoing work of God in us and our thankfulness for his grace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, 99% of the people who call Christians hypocrites are doing so because they object to us not meeting the standards we believe in. Frankly, it doesn&#8217;t seem very helpful to me for Sproul to define hypocrite differently than accusers define it. You&#8217;re not really interacting with them and so your argument kinda becomes fruitless. The fact of the matter is that Christians, like any other human being, don&#8217;t do the things they ought to do and do the things that they ought not to do. We are sinners and hypocrites that by the grace of God have been forgiven. It doesn&#8217;t help to argue with an accuser that you aren&#8217;t a hypocrite. (How is that different from self-justification?) It&#8217;s better to just grant the premise and point to the ongoing work of God in us and our thankfulness for his grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Gelatt</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51937</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Gelatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>c.c.

This isn&#039;t a game.  Accusing the church of being full of hypocrites is a deadly serious thing.  It is an accusation against the Bride of Jesus Christ.

Sproul fully admits that churches are full of people who sin---he stresses that point in the article.  But to say &quot;the church is full of hypocrites&quot; is a ludicrous as to say &quot;the church is full of pedophiles&quot; or &quot;the church is full of adulterers&quot; or even &quot;the church is full of liars&quot;  True, some churches have pedophiles.  Many churhes have adulteres.  Most churches have liars.  But to broadly characterize the church is comprising mostly of any of these (pedophiles/adulterers/liars) is unfair, untrue, and unethical.  Sproul is simply saying the same regarding hypocrisy.

It is a dangerous thing when we begin thinking and speaking like the world (&quot;the church only wants your money&quot;, &quot;the church is full of hypocrites&quot;).

Do we really believe it is wrong to judge a single person, but ok to judge the entire Body of Christ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>c.c.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a game.  Accusing the church of being full of hypocrites is a deadly serious thing.  It is an accusation against the Bride of Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Sproul fully admits that churches are full of people who sin&#8212;he stresses that point in the article.  But to say &#8220;the church is full of hypocrites&#8221; is a ludicrous as to say &#8220;the church is full of pedophiles&#8221; or &#8220;the church is full of adulterers&#8221; or even &#8220;the church is full of liars&#8221;  True, some churches have pedophiles.  Many churhes have adulteres.  Most churches have liars.  But to broadly characterize the church is comprising mostly of any of these (pedophiles/adulterers/liars) is unfair, untrue, and unethical.  Sproul is simply saying the same regarding hypocrisy.</p>
<p>It is a dangerous thing when we begin thinking and speaking like the world (&#8220;the church only wants your money&#8221;, &#8220;the church is full of hypocrites&#8221;).</p>
<p>Do we really believe it is wrong to judge a single person, but ok to judge the entire Body of Christ?</p>
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		<title>By: c.c.</title>
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		<dc:creator>c.c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Okay*, not *EVERY* church is *FULL* of hypocrites. *Okay*, not saying you do something that you really do isn&#039;t technically the same as saying you do something you really don&#039;t. Come on, friends, let&#039;s stop playing this game.

The truth of the matter is that there still exist many people who call themselves &quot;Christians&quot; and &quot;believers&quot; in Jesus and yet show no evidence of the new birth, and act in ways totally contrary to how God actually desires us to live. They may not go to *your* church (though a few probably do), but they&#039;re certainly out there. We can&#039;t necessarily expect non-Christians to differentiate between *your* &quot;Christian&quot; church and the &quot;Christian&quot; church down the street with the philandering pastor? I find it disingenuous to make the kind of argument R.C. Sproul is making here, as if people are fabricating this objection out of nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Okay*, not *EVERY* church is *FULL* of hypocrites. *Okay*, not saying you do something that you really do isn&#8217;t technically the same as saying you do something you really don&#8217;t. Come on, friends, let&#8217;s stop playing this game.</p>
<p>The truth of the matter is that there still exist many people who call themselves &#8220;Christians&#8221; and &#8220;believers&#8221; in Jesus and yet show no evidence of the new birth, and act in ways totally contrary to how God actually desires us to live. They may not go to *your* church (though a few probably do), but they&#8217;re certainly out there. We can&#8217;t necessarily expect non-Christians to differentiate between *your* &#8220;Christian&#8221; church and the &#8220;Christian&#8221; church down the street with the philandering pastor? I find it disingenuous to make the kind of argument R.C. Sproul is making here, as if people are fabricating this objection out of nowhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddy Campana</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51928</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddy Campana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh I completely agree with you.  I believe we have come to a point in history where the church has to now redefine words in light of Scripture. For example, The word &quot;evangelical&quot; doesn&#039;t mean what it used.  So your point is well taken and appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh I completely agree with you.  I believe we have come to a point in history where the church has to now redefine words in light of Scripture. For example, The word &#8220;evangelical&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean what it used.  So your point is well taken and appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Gelatt</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51920</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Gelatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice Sproul&#039;s method.  First he defines his terms.  From that starting point he moves forward.  Once you admit the word hypocrisy is defined differently (and more narrow in scope) than the word sin, then Sproul&#039;s article is logically flawless.  

Reminds me once at a school board meeting where an angry faculty member stood up and began yelling at me for pulling my kids out of school (I was an elected school board member and we decided to homeschool).  He went on to say how much he loved and valued the school and chose to send his kids to the school and since I didn&#039;t choose to send my kids I was a hypocrite.

Later (and privately) I said, &quot;So, one of your values is having your kids in the school&quot;.  &quot;Yes&quot; he replied, &quot;and since you don&#039;t have your kids in the school you are a hypocrite&quot;. 

I asked, &quot;How can I be a hypocrite for violating your values?&quot;

We throw the word hypocrite around all the time without even taking the time to ask what it actually means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice Sproul&#8217;s method.  First he defines his terms.  From that starting point he moves forward.  Once you admit the word hypocrisy is defined differently (and more narrow in scope) than the word sin, then Sproul&#8217;s article is logically flawless.  </p>
<p>Reminds me once at a school board meeting where an angry faculty member stood up and began yelling at me for pulling my kids out of school (I was an elected school board member and we decided to homeschool).  He went on to say how much he loved and valued the school and chose to send his kids to the school and since I didn&#8217;t choose to send my kids I was a hypocrite.</p>
<p>Later (and privately) I said, &#8220;So, one of your values is having your kids in the school&#8221;.  &#8220;Yes&#8221; he replied, &#8220;and since you don&#8217;t have your kids in the school you are a hypocrite&#8221;. </p>
<p>I asked, &#8220;How can I be a hypocrite for violating your values?&#8221;</p>
<p>We throw the word hypocrite around all the time without even taking the time to ask what it actually means.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your response better. Much shorter, isn&#039;t playing word games, and gets to the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your response better. Much shorter, isn&#8217;t playing word games, and gets to the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh S</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51917</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me lay out my logic clearer:

A: A hypocrite is someone who does things he claims he does not do [via Sproul].

B: Lots of guys in the church look at porn.

C: Many of these same guys preach against porn, hide their sin, put on a happy face on Sunday, lie to their wives &amp; friends about it if asked, and pretend like the problem doesn&#039;t exist.

Therefore: Therefore lots of guys in the church are hypocrites.

That&#039;s just one example, as I said. There are so many sins that every person is a hypocrite about something. Another random example — premarital sex. Almost everyone preaches about how wrong it is, but then if you ask them if THEY waited, you&#039;ll see a bit of a blush on their cheeks. Not everyone, of course, but enough that many people are hypocritical about it. Now they might not &lt;em&gt;claim&lt;/em&gt; they&#039;ve never done it, but they certainly imply it and will have no problem judging you for it and looking down on others — for the same thing they did. To me, that&#039;s hypocrisy.

There are dozens of things like this, and virtually everyone is guilty of being a hypocrite about something.

Then again, few people want to call themselves a hypocrite or claim the church is full of them. Maybe we can find a more spiritual euphemism for it.

How about... &quot;I have an unspoken&quot;? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me lay out my logic clearer:</p>
<p>A: A hypocrite is someone who does things he claims he does not do [via Sproul].</p>
<p>B: Lots of guys in the church look at porn.</p>
<p>C: Many of these same guys preach against porn, hide their sin, put on a happy face on Sunday, lie to their wives &amp; friends about it if asked, and pretend like the problem doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Therefore: Therefore lots of guys in the church are hypocrites.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just one example, as I said. There are so many sins that every person is a hypocrite about something. Another random example — premarital sex. Almost everyone preaches about how wrong it is, but then if you ask them if THEY waited, you&#8217;ll see a bit of a blush on their cheeks. Not everyone, of course, but enough that many people are hypocritical about it. Now they might not <em>claim</em> they&#8217;ve never done it, but they certainly imply it and will have no problem judging you for it and looking down on others — for the same thing they did. To me, that&#8217;s hypocrisy.</p>
<p>There are dozens of things like this, and virtually everyone is guilty of being a hypocrite about something.</p>
<p>Then again, few people want to call themselves a hypocrite or claim the church is full of them. Maybe we can find a more spiritual euphemism for it.</p>
<p>How about&#8230; &#8220;I have an unspoken&#8221;? ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Brendt Waters</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51915</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendt Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My response would be shorter: &quot;Well, yeah. But what&#039;s your point?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response would be shorter: &#8220;Well, yeah. But what&#8217;s your point?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Sproul is contending that faithful churches are not full of people characterized by hypocrisy. None of us always live up to our theology. Moreover, many of our churches are full of unbelievers and make-believers. But where you have a church of Spirit-birthed, Christ-exalting, Bible-saturated, grace-dependent Christians you will find people who are free to confess their sin because their identity and security are in Christ.

You still might not get them to raise their hands in a mass confession but there is a distinction between honesty and openness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Sproul is contending that faithful churches are not full of people characterized by hypocrisy. None of us always live up to our theology. Moreover, many of our churches are full of unbelievers and make-believers. But where you have a church of Spirit-birthed, Christ-exalting, Bible-saturated, grace-dependent Christians you will find people who are free to confess their sin because their identity and security are in Christ.</p>
<p>You still might not get them to raise their hands in a mass confession but there is a distinction between honesty and openness.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hoos</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51913</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hoos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say of course the church is full of hypocrites. We&#039;re all works in progress. Not perfect, just forgiven. Read Romans 7. What objectors don&#039;t admit however is that we&#039;re all hypocrites to one degree or another, Christian or not. The reason they level such accusations is because as long as they are their own standard of morality, they will always measure up. They don&#039;t want to change their standard of morality. They don&#039;t want to admit guilt before a Holy God so that they don&#039;t have to admit that they need forgiveness. Non Christians who use that objection don&#039;t really want an answer, they&#039;re using it as an excuse to avoid any sort of standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say of course the church is full of hypocrites. We&#8217;re all works in progress. Not perfect, just forgiven. Read Romans 7. What objectors don&#8217;t admit however is that we&#8217;re all hypocrites to one degree or another, Christian or not. The reason they level such accusations is because as long as they are their own standard of morality, they will always measure up. They don&#8217;t want to change their standard of morality. They don&#8217;t want to admit guilt before a Holy God so that they don&#8217;t have to admit that they need forgiveness. Non Christians who use that objection don&#8217;t really want an answer, they&#8217;re using it as an excuse to avoid any sort of standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had a porn problem and the pastor asked all men with porn problems to raise their hands on sunday morning, I certainly wouldn&#039;t raise mine.  That hardly would make me a hypocrite, but it would make the pastor an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had a porn problem and the pastor asked all men with porn problems to raise their hands on sunday morning, I certainly wouldn&#8217;t raise mine.  That hardly would make me a hypocrite, but it would make the pastor an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Gelatt</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51910</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Gelatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

That would only count as hypocrisy IF the those men ACTUALLY claimed not to have a porn problem.  If they have a problem, but keep silent about it, then that is NOT hypocrisy (though it is still a porn problem). Lots of guys would (rightly) admit that porn is harmful to the family, while secretly struggling with it.  Because they struggle with it daily they know how harmful it is.

You can&#039;t charge someone with hypocrisy for having a secret sin. Sorry, I&#039;m just not getting your example. You seem to be saying:

Premise A: A hypocrite is someone who does things he claims he does not do [via Sproul].

Premise B: Lots of guys in the church don&#039;t admit they have a problem.

Premise C: Lots of guys in the church think porn is bad

Therefore: Lots of guys in the church are hypocrites.  

See the problem? Your premises don&#039;t really work towards that conclusion.  Premise B &amp; C do not relate to Premise A.

This goes back to Sproul&#039;s point: All hypocrisy is sin but not all sin is hypocrisy.  Your example rightly points to sin, but wrongly categorizes it as hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>That would only count as hypocrisy IF the those men ACTUALLY claimed not to have a porn problem.  If they have a problem, but keep silent about it, then that is NOT hypocrisy (though it is still a porn problem). Lots of guys would (rightly) admit that porn is harmful to the family, while secretly struggling with it.  Because they struggle with it daily they know how harmful it is.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t charge someone with hypocrisy for having a secret sin. Sorry, I&#8217;m just not getting your example. You seem to be saying:</p>
<p>Premise A: A hypocrite is someone who does things he claims he does not do [via Sproul].</p>
<p>Premise B: Lots of guys in the church don&#8217;t admit they have a problem.</p>
<p>Premise C: Lots of guys in the church think porn is bad</p>
<p>Therefore: Lots of guys in the church are hypocrites.  </p>
<p>See the problem? Your premises don&#8217;t really work towards that conclusion.  Premise B &amp; C do not relate to Premise A.</p>
<p>This goes back to Sproul&#8217;s point: All hypocrisy is sin but not all sin is hypocrisy.  Your example rightly points to sin, but wrongly categorizes it as hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh S.</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/10/09/is-the-church-full-of-hypocrites/#comment-51907</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sproul says &quot;A hypocrite is someone who does things he claims he does not do.&quot;

Then says &quot;[T]he the church is not filled with hypocrites&quot; and &quot;the charge that the church is full of hypocrites is manifestly false.&quot;

So the church is not filled with people who do things they claim not to do? I find that highly unlikely based on my experience in churches. Hasn&#039;t everyone been guilty of hypocrisy at one time or another?

Just take one issue — porn. If a pastor asked men to raise their hands if they looked at pornography in the last month, I doubt many (if any) hands would go up.

But polls show that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blazinggrace.org/cms/bg/pornstats&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;50-70% of men&lt;/a&gt; in churches look at porn. That&#039;s a very high percentage. And these are men who would most likely claim that porn is bad and harmful to the person &amp; family. Many are leaders in the church. Yet they actively watch it.

Doesn&#039;t that count as hypocrisy? If so, wouldn&#039;t that mean that churches are filled with hypocrites? And that&#039;s just one issue. We haven&#039;t even gotten into the &quot;prayer chain gossip hotline&quot; stuff. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sproul says &#8220;A hypocrite is someone who does things he claims he does not do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then says &#8220;[T]he the church is not filled with hypocrites&#8221; and &#8220;the charge that the church is full of hypocrites is manifestly false.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the church is not filled with people who do things they claim not to do? I find that highly unlikely based on my experience in churches. Hasn&#8217;t everyone been guilty of hypocrisy at one time or another?</p>
<p>Just take one issue — porn. If a pastor asked men to raise their hands if they looked at pornography in the last month, I doubt many (if any) hands would go up.</p>
<p>But polls show that <a href="http://www.blazinggrace.org/cms/bg/pornstats" rel="nofollow">50-70% of men</a> in churches look at porn. That&#8217;s a very high percentage. And these are men who would most likely claim that porn is bad and harmful to the person &amp; family. Many are leaders in the church. Yet they actively watch it.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t that count as hypocrisy? If so, wouldn&#8217;t that mean that churches are filled with hypocrites? And that&#8217;s just one issue. We haven&#8217;t even gotten into the &#8220;prayer chain gossip hotline&#8221; stuff. ;)</p>
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