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	<title>Comments on: Bi-Partisan Amendment on Abortion</title>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/07/bi-partisan-amendment-on-abortion/#comment-53462</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ threw the money changers out of the temple..may the same happen at the Hospitals and Health Care facilities everywhere.</description>
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		<title>By: Stan McCullars</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/07/bi-partisan-amendment-on-abortion/#comment-53416</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan McCullars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/66969-senior-dem-confident-stupak-amendment-will-be-stripped&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Senior Democrat is &#039;confident&#039; that Stupak amendment will be stripped&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/66969-senior-dem-confident-stupak-amendment-will-be-stripped" rel="nofollow"><b>Senior Democrat is &#8216;confident&#8217; that Stupak amendment will be stripped</b></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rachael Starke</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/07/bi-partisan-amendment-on-abortion/#comment-53389</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael Starke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing about our political system is just how purely &quot;political&quot; it often is, but this is one time when a so-called &quot;political&quot; move may be this bill&#039;s downfall. The little I&#039;ve read indicates that the two main issues that are causing a perpetual stalemate are the public option, and the funding of abortion with taxpayer dollars. Liberal Democrats say they&#039;ll refuse to vote for a health care bill without a public option; Republicans (mostly) will refuse to vote for a bill that contains it. That&#039;s been known for some time.

What &lt;i&gt;hasn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; been as clear has been the dividing line on public funding of abortion. There has been some well-known &quot;social issues&quot; fatigue on the part of Republicans, as long with a longstanding unwillingness by moderate Democrats to break with the party line and support even moderate pro-life positions. The belief was that most Democratic leaders hold to a &quot;abortion is a medical procedure like any other, and thus all insurance plans should be compelled to cover it&quot; approach. That the Stupak ammendment passed, and with so many Democrats passing it, indicates two encouraging things:

1. That there are far more Democrats than originally thought are beginning to acknowledge the growing majority of American who disapprove of abortion and will fight mightily to ensure our taxes don&#039;t fund it.

2. Most importantly - it builds another (hopefully, prayerfully) impenetrable wall for the Senate to confront. In additon to the public option/no public option dogmatists, you&#039;ve got a large portion of Democrats who&#039;ll refuse to sign any bill that restricts abortion coverage a la the Stupak ammendment, and almost universal refusal to sign a bill on the part of the Republicans that strikes the Stupak ammendment down.

I can see how some would have conscience issues with not signing the ammendment because of potential incrementalism through the rape or incest clause, but that&#039;s only with the presmuption that this is the exact bill to be debated by the Senate, which it most certainly won&#039;t be. Everyone is well aware that the Unholy Trinity of Obama, Pelosi and Reid will fight with everything they have to get that ammendment overturned, along with the public option. But with Congress sending such a clear signal now about the people&#039;s perspective, that gets much harder. (If they have any interest in listening to the people... one can pray, yes?)

IOW, it may have helped Nancy Pelosi win the intermediate battle, but in her hubris in thinking that the Senate will just roll over and repeal it, it may cause her to lose the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing about our political system is just how purely &#8220;political&#8221; it often is, but this is one time when a so-called &#8220;political&#8221; move may be this bill&#8217;s downfall. The little I&#8217;ve read indicates that the two main issues that are causing a perpetual stalemate are the public option, and the funding of abortion with taxpayer dollars. Liberal Democrats say they&#8217;ll refuse to vote for a health care bill without a public option; Republicans (mostly) will refuse to vote for a bill that contains it. That&#8217;s been known for some time.</p>
<p>What <i>hasn&#8217;t</i> been as clear has been the dividing line on public funding of abortion. There has been some well-known &#8220;social issues&#8221; fatigue on the part of Republicans, as long with a longstanding unwillingness by moderate Democrats to break with the party line and support even moderate pro-life positions. The belief was that most Democratic leaders hold to a &#8220;abortion is a medical procedure like any other, and thus all insurance plans should be compelled to cover it&#8221; approach. That the Stupak ammendment passed, and with so many Democrats passing it, indicates two encouraging things:</p>
<p>1. That there are far more Democrats than originally thought are beginning to acknowledge the growing majority of American who disapprove of abortion and will fight mightily to ensure our taxes don&#8217;t fund it.</p>
<p>2. Most importantly &#8211; it builds another (hopefully, prayerfully) impenetrable wall for the Senate to confront. In additon to the public option/no public option dogmatists, you&#8217;ve got a large portion of Democrats who&#8217;ll refuse to sign any bill that restricts abortion coverage a la the Stupak ammendment, and almost universal refusal to sign a bill on the part of the Republicans that strikes the Stupak ammendment down.</p>
<p>I can see how some would have conscience issues with not signing the ammendment because of potential incrementalism through the rape or incest clause, but that&#8217;s only with the presmuption that this is the exact bill to be debated by the Senate, which it most certainly won&#8217;t be. Everyone is well aware that the Unholy Trinity of Obama, Pelosi and Reid will fight with everything they have to get that ammendment overturned, along with the public option. But with Congress sending such a clear signal now about the people&#8217;s perspective, that gets much harder. (If they have any interest in listening to the people&#8230; one can pray, yes?)</p>
<p>IOW, it may have helped Nancy Pelosi win the intermediate battle, but in her hubris in thinking that the Senate will just roll over and repeal it, it may cause her to lose the war.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan McCullars</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/07/bi-partisan-amendment-on-abortion/#comment-53338</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan McCullars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Constitutional does not grant Congress the right to force Americans to purchase health insurance. This nonsense must stop.</description>
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		<title>By: Heidi Berggren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi Berggren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do not fund abortion through the healthcare plan.</description>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/07/bi-partisan-amendment-on-abortion/#comment-53332</link>
		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the Stupak amendment has already been approved by the House.  It&#039;s funny, I&#039;ve been watching Fox News and they&#039;ve already said this is a win for the Democrats!  And they are right.  If Speaker Pelosi did not want this amendment to come to a vote she could have stopped it in a tracks and prevented a vote like she has done on other issues.  But this was a strategic ploy to get the blue dogs to vote for the final health care bill and rather than Republicans voting against the Stupak amendment killing health care &quot;reform&quot; once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the Stupak amendment has already been approved by the House.  It&#8217;s funny, I&#8217;ve been watching Fox News and they&#8217;ve already said this is a win for the Democrats!  And they are right.  If Speaker Pelosi did not want this amendment to come to a vote she could have stopped it in a tracks and prevented a vote like she has done on other issues.  But this was a strategic ploy to get the blue dogs to vote for the final health care bill and rather than Republicans voting against the Stupak amendment killing health care &#8220;reform&#8221; once and for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/07/bi-partisan-amendment-on-abortion/#comment-53331</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David &amp; Erin are correct. Absolutely not! In a word; it&#039;s called  incrementalism.</description>
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		<title>By: Jen Barncard</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/07/bi-partisan-amendment-on-abortion/#comment-53330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Barncard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am wondering what murdering (and that is what it is, murder)a baby has to do with healthcare? Also, is anyone else concerned that the abortion clinics open up more offices in black neighborhoods than in other white neighborhoods? African Americans make up about 17% of the population, yet they have 33% of the abortions. I think that is very sad. We should be presenting the option of adoption, NOT the final choice, abortion. Does anyone else have an opinion about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wondering what murdering (and that is what it is, murder)a baby has to do with healthcare? Also, is anyone else concerned that the abortion clinics open up more offices in black neighborhoods than in other white neighborhoods? African Americans make up about 17% of the population, yet they have 33% of the abortions. I think that is very sad. We should be presenting the option of adoption, NOT the final choice, abortion. Does anyone else have an opinion about that?</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/07/bi-partisan-amendment-on-abortion/#comment-53328</link>
		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some like Erin and David have hit the nail on the head.  There is a strategy involved here.  If I were a Republican representative I would vote against the amendment and here&#039;s why.  The Blue Dog democrats are between a rock and a hard place.  First, they don&#039;t like the health care plan as is.  Not because they have any principles (some do perhaps) but because they are afraid of their constituency.  You see, most of the blue dog democrats got voted by emotionalism from angry Republicans.  Many of these blue dog democrats are in conservative districts.  If this amendment passes this is a pass for these more conservative democrats to vote for the health care bill if abortion can&#039;t be paid for.  If Republicans do vote for the amendment along with the blue dog democrats (liberal democrats will vote against it) and the amendment passes, then the blue dog democrats can then vote for the health care bill.  

Respectfully, it&#039;s too bad Reynolds doesn&#039;t recognize this.  He&#039;s probably not familiar with the political statergy that goes on.  I&#039;m more befuddled by the National Right to Life.  Given that they are a lobbying group, I&#039;m befuddled that they&#039;re ignorant of the politics.  It will be interesting to see how the Republicans vote on this amendment.  

I just called my representative&#039;s office and the assistant I spoke to the assistant to convey my understanding of this ploy and they understand that this is probably a ploy to get the blue dogs to vote for the final bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some like Erin and David have hit the nail on the head.  There is a strategy involved here.  If I were a Republican representative I would vote against the amendment and here&#8217;s why.  The Blue Dog democrats are between a rock and a hard place.  First, they don&#8217;t like the health care plan as is.  Not because they have any principles (some do perhaps) but because they are afraid of their constituency.  You see, most of the blue dog democrats got voted by emotionalism from angry Republicans.  Many of these blue dog democrats are in conservative districts.  If this amendment passes this is a pass for these more conservative democrats to vote for the health care bill if abortion can&#8217;t be paid for.  If Republicans do vote for the amendment along with the blue dog democrats (liberal democrats will vote against it) and the amendment passes, then the blue dog democrats can then vote for the health care bill.  </p>
<p>Respectfully, it&#8217;s too bad Reynolds doesn&#8217;t recognize this.  He&#8217;s probably not familiar with the political statergy that goes on.  I&#8217;m more befuddled by the National Right to Life.  Given that they are a lobbying group, I&#8217;m befuddled that they&#8217;re ignorant of the politics.  It will be interesting to see how the Republicans vote on this amendment.  </p>
<p>I just called my representative&#8217;s office and the assistant I spoke to the assistant to convey my understanding of this ploy and they understand that this is probably a ploy to get the blue dogs to vote for the final bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Crews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Crews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need help.  I feel so weird that this amendment, which sounded awesome, says &quot;except to save the life of the mother, or in cases of rape or incest&quot;.

My worldview can&#039;t fit &quot;this baby, we want to protect; but this baby from incest... just go ahead and kill it.&quot;

But I also want to slow or stop both abortion, and spending tax payer money on abortion.

Does anyone else feel weird about this?  How do you navigate it?

Citation for the incest/rape/life-of-mother exclusion: http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/Release110709.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need help.  I feel so weird that this amendment, which sounded awesome, says &#8220;except to save the life of the mother, or in cases of rape or incest&#8221;.</p>
<p>My worldview can&#8217;t fit &#8220;this baby, we want to protect; but this baby from incest&#8230; just go ahead and kill it.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I also want to slow or stop both abortion, and spending tax payer money on abortion.</p>
<p>Does anyone else feel weird about this?  How do you navigate it?</p>
<p>Citation for the incest/rape/life-of-mother exclusion: <a href="http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/Release110709.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/Release110709.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Call Your Congressman NOW! &#124; Denny Burk</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Call Your Congressman NOW! &#124; Denny Burk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Doug Thorson</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/07/bi-partisan-amendment-on-abortion/#comment-53324</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Thorson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debate on the Stupak-Pitts amendment is going on right now and Boehner is making it clear that even if this amendment is passed that it is unlikely to stay in the final bill.  The Democrats are confirming that they will remove it from the final bill.  Charles Rangel snottily says that guaranteeing Stupak amendment might be violation of ethics laws!!

I think that pro-life members should support the bill but still oppose this health care reform bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debate on the Stupak-Pitts amendment is going on right now and Boehner is making it clear that even if this amendment is passed that it is unlikely to stay in the final bill.  The Democrats are confirming that they will remove it from the final bill.  Charles Rangel snottily says that guaranteeing Stupak amendment might be violation of ethics laws!!</p>
<p>I think that pro-life members should support the bill but still oppose this health care reform bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Hoppe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Hoppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Planned Parenthood and other Abortion Profit Centers are gearing up to celebrate the funding of elective abortions by the Fed. The Stupac-Pitts amendment is the way to kill health care as the left doesn&#039;t want it without the unlimited money for abortion. Protestants must step up to the plate on life issues!! The next life they take may be ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Planned Parenthood and other Abortion Profit Centers are gearing up to celebrate the funding of elective abortions by the Fed. The Stupac-Pitts amendment is the way to kill health care as the left doesn&#8217;t want it without the unlimited money for abortion. Protestants must step up to the plate on life issues!! The next life they take may be ours.</p>
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		<title>By: erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be a ploy for Dems to get more votes on the health care bill, but if our reps vote against it, and then health care passes (as it seems it might), we are guilty of the murder of millions more. We&#039;re not asking that our reps vote for the health care bill, only that they vote for an amendment that would prevent federal funding of abortion. If our reps disagree with the bill, they should still vote to influence the shape of it - whether they supported it or not, if it goes through with abortion funding, they/we are guilty because of a lack of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be a ploy for Dems to get more votes on the health care bill, but if our reps vote against it, and then health care passes (as it seems it might), we are guilty of the murder of millions more. We&#8217;re not asking that our reps vote for the health care bill, only that they vote for an amendment that would prevent federal funding of abortion. If our reps disagree with the bill, they should still vote to influence the shape of it &#8211; whether they supported it or not, if it goes through with abortion funding, they/we are guilty because of a lack of action.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No! This amendment is a cynical ploy to get the wavering to vote for the health care plan. It is not a good thing. It is like in the movie Amazing Grace where they pass a low that torpedoes the slave trade in order to later abolish it. It is nothing more and nothing less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No! This amendment is a cynical ploy to get the wavering to vote for the health care plan. It is not a good thing. It is like in the movie Amazing Grace where they pass a low that torpedoes the slave trade in order to later abolish it. It is nothing more and nothing less.</p>
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