Comments on: Ken Myers on Two-Kingdom Social Theory

By: Ken Myers on the “Two-Kingdom” Social Theory » Evangel | A First Things Blog

Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:37:06 +0000

[...] interview at my blog. The question had to do with the two kingdom view of culture and the church. Justin Taylor picked it up on his blog, then Hunter Backer posted it [...]

By: Bill Burns

Bill Burns — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:41:05 +0000

@Caleb – I have a feeling that your AFLAC! moment is the result of too closely parsing a transcription of an extemporaneous answer to a question. I listened to Myers’ interview when it was first podcast, and I tried reading the transcription carefully, but his meaning in the excerpted portion you’ve pasted from the transcription is simply not clear.

Sorry to go all Bill Clinton on you, but it really depends on what the word ‘it’ refers to to make any sense. I have a feeling the phrase, “that doesn’t necessarily mean IT is distinctively Christian,” is a case of a thought not fully formed, and so not clearly expressed (emphasis mine -wtb).

So I think you may have gotten hung up about something less important in Myers’ response to the larger question about the relative danger he sees in what the interviewer termed a ‘high two-kingdom’ view that there is no distinctively Christian way to be or do ‘X vocation.’ On that point, Myers’ answer seems perfectly clear. He agrees that there is a danger there, and yet is not saying that he’s entirely opposed to the valuable contributions of two-kingdom viewpoints, even ‘high’ ones.

By: David Rogers

David Rogers — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:35:59 +0000

Is all grace (common or special) enabling?

By: David Rogers

David Rogers — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:34:13 +0000

If Creation is a whole Trinitarian (Father-Son-Spirit; Creator-Redeemer-Sanctifier) act, what impact does that have on making hard distinctions between common grace and special grace. I’m not suggesting universalism in salvation but whether the so-called “common grace” distinct from salvific “special grace” might have more connect in enabling the lost to be able even in their lostness to respond to God’s grace and not just be condemned.

By: David Rogers

David Rogers — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:28:03 +0000

The Scripture reveals that we are made in the image and likeness of God. We function in creation as sub-creators. This theological revelation is accessible for reflection even to those in Jewish, and possibly Islamic, traditions. This insight about humanity is of course fully understood in the revelation of Christ, but its Old Covenant revelation in Genesis does make it available for theological exploration distinct from the Christ revelation.

By: Ken Myers and Two Kingdom Theory « Hunter Baker

Ken Myers and Two Kingdom Theory « Hunter Baker — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:18:51 +0000

[...] by Hunter Baker Over at Justin Taylor’s blog, he offers a transcribed interview conducted with Ken Myers of the great Mars Hill Audio. I want [...]

By: Two Kingdoms Theory and Ken Myers » Evangel | A First Things Blog

Two Kingdoms Theory and Ken Myers » Evangel | A First Things Blog — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:11:35 +0000

[...] at Justin Taylor’s blog, he offers a transcribed interview conducted with Ken Myers of the great Mars Hill Audio. I want [...]

By: Caleb Land

Caleb Land — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:27:17 +0000

“…but I do think that there are correctives that Scripture offers to understanding our humanity that are just not available elsewhere. Again, that doesn’t necessarily mean it is distinctively Christian.”

What the… ????? Does anyone else feel like the AFLAC duck in the Yogi Bera commercial?

We are corrected by scripture that we can’t get anywhere else but that is SOMEHOW not distinctively Christian?

This position doesn’t work because it isn’t consistent.