Comments on: How Much Do You Have to Hate Somebody to Not Proselytize? http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/ Between Two Worlds Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:46:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Weekly Links (11/20/09) « The Beacon http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-54013 Weekly Links (11/20/09) « The Beacon Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:03:57 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-54013 [...] to do, even when you don’t want to. And over at Justin Taylor’s blog, there’s an incredibly convicting video on the topic of evangelism…from a professing atheist. About The Beacon is the monthly newsletter for [...] [...] to do, even when you don’t want to. And over at Justin Taylor’s blog, there’s an incredibly convicting video on the topic of evangelism…from a professing atheist. About The Beacon is the monthly newsletter for [...]

]]> By: DButler65 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-54002 DButler65 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:14:53 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-54002 Great post! Our church is training people to share Christ with others. I am going to refer to this on my blog. I reiterate what Frank Martens says, "Dude, how did you find this? I guess Pyromaniacs is a site I should check out. Thanks. Great post! Our church is training people to share Christ with others. I am going to refer to this on my blog. I reiterate what Frank Martens says, “Dude, how did you find this? I guess Pyromaniacs is a site I should check out. Thanks.

]]> By: Should Christians try to convert non-Christians? - deTheos http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-54001 Should Christians try to convert non-Christians? - deTheos Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:30:51 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-54001 [...] Update: wrote this post a a few days ago but the Penn Says video was highlighted here by JT as well. (Thanks to JT for typing out the [...] [...] Update: wrote this post a a few days ago but the Penn Says video was highlighted here by JT as well. (Thanks to JT for typing out the [...]

]]> By: Damon Titus http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53977 Damon Titus Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:12:56 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53977 There's a lot of good stuff here, I was convicted. However, the truck analogy breaks down at some point. If a truck is coming at you, I can tackle you against your will and save you from certain death, even if you don't believe the truck is there. Can't really do that with the Gospel. In fact that kind of behavior is one of things that Atheists usually hold fault Christians for, IE The crusades. There’s a lot of good stuff here, I was convicted. However, the truck analogy breaks down at some point. If a truck is coming at you, I can tackle you against your will and save you from certain death, even if you don’t believe the truck is there. Can’t really do that with the Gospel. In fact that kind of behavior is one of things that Atheists usually hold fault Christians for, IE The crusades.

]]> By: “How much do you have to hate someone to NOT proselytize?” « Praxis Blog http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53948 “How much do you have to hate someone to NOT proselytize?” « Praxis Blog Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:12:40 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53948 [...] http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to... [...] [...] http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to... [...]

]]> By: Mary Palshan http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53924 Mary Palshan Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:39:21 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53924 If people are reluctant to proclaim the good news to potential converts, how much more recalcitrant are they in contending for the faith? If people are ashamed of preaching the gospel message, it seems to me they would be even less inclined to defend the faith. Whatever happened to the boldness, of say, John the Baptist? LOVE Pyromanics! Mary Elizabeth Tyler If people are reluctant to proclaim the good news to potential converts, how much more recalcitrant are they in contending for the faith? If people are ashamed of preaching the gospel message, it seems to me they would be even less inclined to defend the faith.

Whatever happened to the boldness, of say, John the Baptist?

LOVE Pyromanics!

Mary Elizabeth Tyler

]]> By: Ben Neumann http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53851 Ben Neumann Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:34:39 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53851 Great post. I think this would also work: Instead of, 'How much do you have to hate somebody', ask, 'How much do you have to love yourself?' When I don't witness about Christ to someone, it's not that I have something against people...at least I don't think. It's more a matter of inconvenience for me, for whatever reason: I'm more comfortable not talking, I have to be somewhere in a few minuets, I don't want to intrude on them, etc. etc. etc. I simply love my own comfort in those moments. How much do you have to love yourself to not proselytize? Great post. I think this would also work: Instead of, ‘How much do you have to hate somebody’, ask, ‘How much do you have to love yourself?’ When I don’t witness about Christ to someone, it’s not that I have something against people…at least I don’t think. It’s more a matter of inconvenience for me, for whatever reason: I’m more comfortable not talking, I have to be somewhere in a few minuets, I don’t want to intrude on them, etc. etc. etc. I simply love my own comfort in those moments. How much do you have to love yourself to not proselytize?

]]> By: Dan Phillips http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53848 Dan Phillips Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:14:38 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53848 Reads <a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2008/12/penn-jillette-on-evangelism.html" rel="nofollow">Pyromaniacs</a>. Reads Pyromaniacs.

]]> By: Frank Martens http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53846 Frank Martens Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:38:58 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53846 Dude, how do you find this stuff? Dude, how do you find this stuff?

]]> By: Looselycult http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53838 Looselycult Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:32:01 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53838 CR is correct shame is a big part of it I think deffinitely more so than "hate". However in this day and age I think that it is often times more about a shame of Gospel bringers than of the Gospel itself. CR is correct shame is a big part of it I think deffinitely more so than “hate”. However in this day and age I think that it is often times more about a shame of Gospel bringers than of the Gospel itself.

]]> By: CR http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53823 CR Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:05:06 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53823 I saw this post first at Pyromaniacs, I think it was a year ago or so. Penn makes an interesting point, but in most cases there is a deeper problem. It's not merely and not necessarily because of hating somebody. Paul said he was not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power unto salvation. Paul could speak about this experientially because he knew what he was prior to salvation in contrast to after salvation. The same should be true for all us. Many of us don't proclaim the gospel because we're ashamed of it. And many of us are ashamed of it because we don't believe it is the power unto salvation. If we believed that it was the power we wouldn't be ashamed of it. So, the problem is far more deeper than Penn makes it out to be. But he does have a good point. I saw this post first at Pyromaniacs, I think it was a year ago or so. Penn makes an interesting point, but in most cases there is a deeper problem. It’s not merely and not necessarily because of hating somebody. Paul said he was not ashamed of the gospel because it is the power unto salvation. Paul could speak about this experientially because he knew what he was prior to salvation in contrast to after salvation. The same should be true for all us.

Many of us don’t proclaim the gospel because we’re ashamed of it. And many of us are ashamed of it because we don’t believe it is the power unto salvation. If we believed that it was the power we wouldn’t be ashamed of it. So, the problem is far more deeper than Penn makes it out to be. But he does have a good point.

]]> By: Loren Eaton http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53822 Loren Eaton Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:51:45 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53822 Wow is right. I think the whole thing is even more powerful. Thanks, Mike. Wow is right. I think the whole thing is even more powerful. Thanks, Mike.

]]> By: Todd http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53821 Todd Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:14:57 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53821 Though I am not a fan of his, he is dead on with what he is saying. If we really believe, wouldn't our actions line up with our thoughts? Though I am not a fan of his, he is dead on with what he is saying. If we really believe, wouldn’t our actions line up with our thoughts?

]]> By: Mike Riccardi http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53819 Mike Riccardi Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:02:49 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53819 Folks might appreciate even more context. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHS8adO3hM Folks might appreciate even more context.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHS8adO3hM

]]> By: Eric T http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/17/how-much-do-you-have-to-hate-somebody-to-not-proselytize/#comment-53818 Eric T Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:50:13 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=6711#comment-53818 Wow. Thanks for sharing. Wow. Thanks for sharing.

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