Comments on: “It Is Well with My Soul” http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/ Between Two Worlds Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:00:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Faith http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54493 Faith Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:37:33 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54493 When gossip is repeated, it is still just gossip. When lies are repeated, or published again, they are still lies. "Denied the essentials of the Christian faith", you say, and claim it "a fact, very well established". I would ask you, what "essentials", a fact established by whom, supported by what evidence? The only thing she denied was that her dead babies would not be received in heaven (the opinion held by her church at the time). That factored into their decision to travel to Jerusalem. As for the footnotes, I agree they are "heavy", but one wonders if the author does not rely too heavily on the gossip and lies, because the footnotes lead back to the same sources. An analysis shows this to be the case, while the author has discounted other sources that show Anna in a favorable light. Like I said - there's nothing like a scandal to sell books. While this author gets rich, the ministry to the poor in the Old City of Jerusalem needs support - (http://spaffordcenter.org/index.html) Please consider making a donation. When gossip is repeated, it is still just gossip. When lies are repeated, or published again, they are still lies. “Denied the essentials of the Christian faith”, you say, and claim it “a fact, very well established”. I would ask you, what “essentials”, a fact established by whom, supported by what evidence? The only thing she denied was that her dead babies would not be received in heaven (the opinion held by her church at the time). That factored into their decision to travel to Jerusalem. As for the footnotes, I agree they are “heavy”, but one wonders if the author does not rely too heavily on the gossip and lies, because the footnotes lead back to the same sources. An analysis shows this to be the case, while the author has discounted other sources that show Anna in a favorable light. Like I said – there’s nothing like a scandal to sell books. While this author gets rich, the ministry to the poor in the Old City of Jerusalem needs support – (http://spaffordcenter.org/index.html) Please consider making a donation.

]]> By: Richard http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54278 Richard Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:20:43 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54278 Faith--the book is pretty heavily foot-noted. The author made a point of noting their ministry to the poor. That does not make up for the fact, very well established, that Anna Spafford in particular denied the essentials of the Christian faith and set herself up as the leader of a cult who exercised pretty heavy authority over her followers. Faith–the book is pretty heavily foot-noted. The author made a point of noting their ministry to the poor. That does not make up for the fact, very well established, that Anna Spafford in particular denied the essentials of the Christian faith and set herself up as the leader of a cult who exercised pretty heavy authority over her followers.

]]> By: Faith http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54269 Faith Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:56:03 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54269 Just because it is published, doesn't mean it is factual or true. That book was written to be a scandalous expose, because scandal sells books. Since they first arrived in Jerusalem, they were ridiculed, even if slander was the only way to achieve it. For instance, it was said they journeyed regularly to the Mount of Olives in order to be the first to offer the returning Messiah a cup of tea. In actual fact, the Mount of Olives is a wonderful place for a Sunday picnic, with a cool breeze and offering a splendid view of the city. In order to gain access to family papers, the author, Jane Fletcher Geniesse, misrepresented her goal to the elderly matriarch. When presented with conflicting accounts of events, she always chose the most scandalous and dismissed other accounts as untrue and self-serving. It is wiser to allow the evidence of their very real ministry to the poor in the Old City to be their testament, rather than this author's vile story. Just because it is published, doesn’t mean it is factual or true. That book was written to be a scandalous expose, because scandal sells books. Since they first arrived in Jerusalem, they were ridiculed, even if slander was the only way to achieve it. For instance, it was said they journeyed regularly to the Mount of Olives in order to be the first to offer the returning Messiah a cup of tea. In actual fact, the Mount of Olives is a wonderful place for a Sunday picnic, with a cool breeze and offering a splendid view of the city. In order to gain access to family papers, the author, Jane Fletcher Geniesse, misrepresented her goal to the elderly matriarch. When presented with conflicting accounts of events, she always chose the most scandalous and dismissed other accounts as untrue and self-serving. It is wiser to allow the evidence of their very real ministry to the poor in the Old City to be their testament, rather than this author’s vile story.

]]> By: st rewais http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54189 st rewais Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:23:30 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54189 I recommend you check out this book on the life of the Spaffords. Mark Driscoll wouldn’t have accepted their beliefs as orthodox in any way:http://books.google.com/books?id=u_tqMMKcDoEC&pg=PA136&dq=horatio+spafford+american+colony&lr=&ei=WX0JS9QjpYLMBOn-wbsP#v=onepage&q=horatio%20spafford%20american%20colony&f=false I recommend you check out this book on the life of the Spaffords. Mark Driscoll wouldn’t have accepted their beliefs as orthodox in any way:http://books.google.com/books?id=u_tqMMKcDoEC&pg=PA136&dq=horatio+spafford+american+colony&lr=&ei=WX0JS9QjpYLMBOn-wbsP#v=onepage&q=horatio%20spafford%20american%20colony&f=false

]]> By: Latest Links | blog of dan http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54176 Latest Links | blog of dan Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:49:12 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54176 [...] “It Is Well with My Soul” [...] [...] “It Is Well with My Soul” [...]

]]> By: Richard http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54173 Richard Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:19:37 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54173 I recommend you check out this book on the life of the Spaffords. Mark Driscoll wouldn't have accepted their beliefs as orthodox in any way:http://books.google.com/books?id=u_tqMMKcDoEC&pg=PA136&dq=horatio+spafford+american+colony&lr=&ei=WX0JS9QjpYLMBOn-wbsP#v=onepage&q=horatio%20spafford%20american%20colony&f=false I recommend you check out this book on the life of the Spaffords. Mark Driscoll wouldn’t have accepted their beliefs as orthodox in any way:http://books.google.com/books?id=u_tqMMKcDoEC&pg=PA136&dq=horatio+spafford+american+colony&lr=&ei=WX0JS9QjpYLMBOn-wbsP#v=onepage&q=horatio%20spafford%20american%20colony&f=false

]]> By: Richard http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54172 Richard Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:02:23 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54172 Christian--I'm not sure what you mean by "their eventual mercy ministry in Jerusalem." Anna Spafford set herself up as the head of a cult. She rejected the faith once delivered. Christian–I’m not sure what you mean by “their eventual mercy ministry in Jerusalem.” Anna Spafford set herself up as the head of a cult. She rejected the faith once delivered.

]]> By: Christian Haiku http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54171 Christian Haiku Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:59:27 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54171 THANK you for posting this! I never tire of this story because each time I hear it or read it, I'm reminded of how God has been redeeming this tragedy for over 100 years. Life's not what happens It's how you respond to it Opposite spirit And I had never heard about their eventual mercy ministry in Jerusalem. Very cool! Thanks again for sharing, THANK you for posting this! I never tire of this story because each time I hear it or read it, I’m reminded of how God has been redeeming this tragedy for over 100 years.

Life’s not what happens
It’s how you respond to it
Opposite spirit

And I had never heard about their eventual mercy ministry in Jerusalem. Very cool! Thanks again for sharing,

]]> By: When Peace Like A River – Sunday Songs « mgpcpastor’s blog http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54168 When Peace Like A River – Sunday Songs « mgpcpastor’s blog Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:44:53 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54168 [...] When Peace Like A River – Sunday Songs November 22, 2009 gjware Leave a comment Go to comments Tonight at mgpc we sang ‘When Peace Like A River’. The midi arrangement from DM Music takes some getting used to, to say the least. In any case, everyone was very enthusiastic. It could be observed that this hymn has just about the most famous and remarkable back-story of modern song of praise. Justin Taylor notes that on November 21, 1873 the steamship Ville du Havre sank. Included among the 246 who were lost were the four daughters of Horatio Spafford. Spafford is reputed to have written ‘When Peace Like A River’ while at sea, on route to be reunited with his wife, who had survived the wreck of the Ville du Havre. Here’s Taylor’s post. [...] [...] When Peace Like A River – Sunday Songs November 22, 2009 gjware Leave a comment Go to comments Tonight at mgpc we sang ‘When Peace Like A River’. The midi arrangement from DM Music takes some getting used to, to say the least. In any case, everyone was very enthusiastic. It could be observed that this hymn has just about the most famous and remarkable back-story of modern song of praise. Justin Taylor notes that on November 21, 1873 the steamship Ville du Havre sank. Included among the 246 who were lost were the four daughters of Horatio Spafford. Spafford is reputed to have written ‘When Peace Like A River’ while at sea, on route to be reunited with his wife, who had survived the wreck of the Ville du Havre. Here’s Taylor’s post. [...]

]]> By: Feeding on Christ » Blog Archive » Is It Well With Your Soul? http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54159 Feeding on Christ » Blog Archive » Is It Well With Your Soul? Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:36:19 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54159 [...] Taylor points out that it was 136 years ago today that Horatio Spafford lost his four daughters in the shipwreck of [...] [...] Taylor points out that it was 136 years ago today that Horatio Spafford lost his four daughters in the shipwreck of [...]

]]> By: Richard http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54156 Richard Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:06:26 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54156 I appreciate the hymn. My appreciation for it, though, was somewhat marred by reading a biography of him and of his wife Anna, the latter in particular who turned into a real ding-a-ling. God knows how many people she led astray in the cult she established in Jerusalem. I appreciate the hymn. My appreciation for it, though, was somewhat marred by reading a biography of him and of his wife Anna, the latter in particular who turned into a real ding-a-ling. God knows how many people she led astray in the cult she established in Jerusalem.

]]> By: Paul Thompson http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2009/11/21/it-is-well-with-my-soul/#comment-54129 Paul Thompson Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:15:08 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?p=5845#comment-54129 Justin, Thanks for this great post. Hi from down under in the land of Oz. We have just posted some vinatge Graeme Goldsworthy talks on Biblical Theology he gave in little old Newcastle, NSW Aust in 2004. please feel to link them on your site etc http://www.christianlibrary.org.au/audio/goldsworthy.html Paul Thompson Co-founder Christian Library Justin,

Thanks for this great post.

Hi from down under in the land of Oz.
We have just posted some vinatge Graeme Goldsworthy talks on
Biblical Theology he gave in little old Newcastle, NSW Aust
in 2004. please feel to link them on your site etc
http://www.christianlibrary.org.au/audio/goldsworthy.html

Paul Thompson
Co-founder Christian Library

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