Comments on: Carson on Spiritual Gifts

By: Carson on Spiritual Gifts « Already Not Yet

Carson on Spiritual Gifts « Already Not Yet — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:26:13 +0000

[...] (HT: Justin Taylor) [...]

By: derrick

derrick — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:00:32 +0000

The links are still faulty :(

By: L. Bouligny

L. Bouligny — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:54:58 +0000

So, to summarize, the first 2 messages are only half of the lecture. I would love to hear the rest. If you can, please repost them.

By: Marcus

Marcus — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 15:48:34 +0000

I’m having the same problem. The second lecture is badly abbreviated too.

By: Thinking Through the Ministry of Holy Spirit! | iamjonnyking.com

Thinking Through the Ministry of Holy Spirit! | iamjonnyking.com — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:46:20 +0000

[...] H/T: The Source [...]

By: Stephen Gambill

Stephen Gambill — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:33:41 +0000

I had the same problem with the audio breaking off, then starting over (not to the beginning of the actual file, just a repeat glitch to the beginning of the lecture).

By: Derek Smith

Derek Smith — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:26:00 +0000

I’ve just tried to listen to the first lecture. About 45 minutes on, there’s a sudden end, and it starts again from the beginning. I’d love to hear the rest!

By: Hayden

Hayden — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:42:09 +0000

Another book to add to the discussion is “Understanding Spiritual Gifts” by Robert Thomas. It is heavy on the exegesis and takes a different point than Carson’s. You do not have to agree with it, but it would be good to read.

By: Tim H.

Tim H. — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:06:30 +0000

Why don’t the mp3s have tags!?

By: Derek Smith

Derek Smith — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:30:02 +0000

Hi Justin

Do you know when Carson’s Through the Bible lectures from Bethlehem Baptist Church earlier this year will surface on GC? I am looking forward to hearing them.

By: Daryl Little

Daryl Little — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:33:03 +0000

Kay Arthur? Dude you’ve got her mixed up with someone else.

By: elnwood

elnwood — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:04:54 +0000

I’ll second Joey and say I’ve met many charismatic women who are not controlling and practice biblical submission (Sovereign Grace Ministries is particularly good at cultivating this), and I’ve met Christian women from cessationist backgrounds who are controlling.

Please, let’s not enforce negative stereotypes on charismatics, cessationists, men or women. They are our brothers in Christ, and we show them great disrespect when we do.

By: D.A. Carson sermons on the Holy Spirit « Mαθητης (math-ē-tēs)

D.A. Carson sermons on the Holy Spirit « Mαθητης (math-ē-tēs) — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:46:55 +0000

[...] 2, 2009 As Justin Taylor points out, these sermons were the basis of D.A. Carson’s book, Showing the Spirit: A [...]

By: rebecca

rebecca — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:28:27 +0000

They are fixed now. Thanks JT.

By: Dylan

Dylan — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:42:48 +0000

They’re not working for me either.

By: rebecca

rebecca — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:39:25 +0000

Those links don’t work for me. Am I the only one?

By: T.C. R

T.C. R — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:35:30 +0000

Many thanks, JT!

By: CR

CR — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:01:56 +0000

It really isn’t sexist to admit what the Bible’s teaching is on women wanting to control. Gen 3 admits that much. Just as it wouldn’t be sexist to admit men’s desire to want to oppress.

The charismatic and pentecostalism environment is a perfect breeding ground for controlling women. Do you know how tempting it would be for a women to be told she has the gift of prophecy? Look at people like Kay Arthur.

So, it’s not sexist or biased or unsubstantiated. It’s true.

By: joey

joey — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:40:31 +0000

Ha! You guys need to meet more charismatic women. All the ones I know are very happy in their role as wives and aren’t controlling at all. The cessationist women I know are all control freaks. So there!!!!

In all for real actual honest to goodness seriousness…Carson is the man.

By: James

James — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:29:05 +0000

That comment is sexist, biased, unsubstantiated in every way. Unfortunately I have found it to be true. The cases I have had to deal with in regard to the misuse of revelatory gifts have always (and sadly so) involved women. In good post-modern fashion, “For me it is true!” :-) Why?

By: Joel

Joel — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:10:05 +0000

Wow! That’s a sexist bias if I’ve ever heard one!

By: CR

CR — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:37:25 +0000

Hmmm…I just assumed that Carson was a cessasionist but I’m gathering from Paul’s comment that Carson is not a cessasionist then? Does anyone know?

This is an aside, but I never understood why so many women are charismatic and pentecostals until a friend shared an insight with me. Having started in the charismatic movement himself, he said it gives women power and it helps their self-esteem. If a woman is not very happy being submissive in the Lord and someone comes along tells them they have the gift of prophecy it gives them a real sense of power. I never thought of it that way but I thought his insight was helpful because women that I have known who are charismatic and who were charismatic are controlling people.

By: Paul

Paul — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:25:47 +0000

Ooh, nice one Justin. Thanks for posting. This book, when it first came out, rocked my anti-charismatic world and turned my then solidly MacArthurite head not a few times. Moreover, there’s a footnote somewhere (don’t have the book with me) that speaks to the Greek verbal aspect which directly conflicts with Stan Porter’s Idioms of New Testament Greek, which I brought up in my Greek class (many years ago) and by instructor (Craig Blomberg) checked it out and sided with Carson. Not sure of the details, but it was important at the time (and likely still is!).