In the videos below you’ll see a 15-minute conversation between Bob Kauflin (Sovereign Grace Ministries) and David Powlison (CCEF) on the relationship between counseling and worship. These two gospel-centered brothers are deeply theological and thoughtful thinkers.
Bob Kauflin
- “A worship leader should never say, “Sing it like you mean it.” We should always mean it.”
- “People walk in every Sunday with the problem that everything in their lives has become bigger than God.”
- “The worship leader links heart-stirring music with biblical truth . . . to let the Word of Christ dwell in people richly.”
- “In both counseling and worship we can rely on technique and forget all we have is Christ.”
- “Leading worship is a pastoral function before it’s a musical one.”
David Powlison
- “Pay attention to the syntax of hymns. Some are about God, drawing our hearts toward Him. Others are unto God, giving our faith direct expression to God.”
- “Counseling needs to do more than analysis and problem-solving; it needs to evoke the thing it seeks to create.”
- “Biblical counseling is worship, and repentance, and faith, and hearing and loving and needing God.”
- “Way more often than we imagine, people need reminding, not informing.”
- “The world in which we counsel is the same world in which we worship & pray.”
- “The word ‘technique’ is actually offensive in ministry.”
HT: CCEF
