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	<title>Comments on: A Separation of Church and Sports?</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But what he and other folks who hold similar views can&#039;t seem to get is their own bigotry, defined of course as an intolerance towards other&#039;s beliefs and opinions. What makes this sort of bigotry especially deceptive is that it masquerades as being open-minded, tolerant, self-evident. He laments that evangelical Christians have &quot;little appreciation for the beliefs of the rest of us,&quot; all the while SHOUTING FROM THE ROOFTOPS the fact that he has little appreciation for the beliefs of evangelical Christians. Ahem, physician, heal thyself.&quot;

http://kicking-the-darkness.blogspot.com/2009/10/stating-obvious-or-what-should-be.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But what he and other folks who hold similar views can&#8217;t seem to get is their own bigotry, defined of course as an intolerance towards other&#8217;s beliefs and opinions. What makes this sort of bigotry especially deceptive is that it masquerades as being open-minded, tolerant, self-evident. He laments that evangelical Christians have &#8220;little appreciation for the beliefs of the rest of us,&#8221; all the while SHOUTING FROM THE ROOFTOPS the fact that he has little appreciation for the beliefs of evangelical Christians. Ahem, physician, heal thyself.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sports are great. They provide great entertainment and enjoyment on many levels. I like watching and playing sports. OK. 

However, just like every other institution they could use some reforming. Here is a simple ethical law that will change professional sports forever— The Sabbath.

If professional &amp; Christian players actually stood up and refused to play on Sundays, and honored the holiness of the Lord, and set out to be the distinct people they and we are called to be— well, the whole sports world might actually take them more seriously. And, what at the moment is seen to be a kind of gnostic faith would have real concrete implications for the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sports are great. They provide great entertainment and enjoyment on many levels. I like watching and playing sports. OK. </p>
<p>However, just like every other institution they could use some reforming. Here is a simple ethical law that will change professional sports forever— The Sabbath.</p>
<p>If professional &amp; Christian players actually stood up and refused to play on Sundays, and honored the holiness of the Lord, and set out to be the distinct people they and we are called to be— well, the whole sports world might actually take them more seriously. And, what at the moment is seen to be a kind of gnostic faith would have real concrete implications for the world.</p>
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		<title>By: pdxTim</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1830</link>
		<dc:creator>pdxTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you really expect to feel the same excitement for a 2000 year old mindset that someone is supernaturally changed when that shows no evidence of actual permanent change after simply saying some words of a prayer?  The Bible uses enough agricultural reference to indicate that entering the kingdom of God is not simply just being &#039;born&#039; into it, but also very much like a farmer planting a seed and waiting for it to bear fruit.  In sports we get an instant &#039;win&#039;.  C&#039;mon kids.  Don&#039;t beat yourself up, guys.  Maybe if you were chillin with the angels and saw some sort of supernatural change instantly take place when a person is &#039;saved&#039; then you would celebrate accordingly.  But we don&#039;t get that viewpoint.  No biggie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you really expect to feel the same excitement for a 2000 year old mindset that someone is supernaturally changed when that shows no evidence of actual permanent change after simply saying some words of a prayer?  The Bible uses enough agricultural reference to indicate that entering the kingdom of God is not simply just being &#8216;born&#8217; into it, but also very much like a farmer planting a seed and waiting for it to bear fruit.  In sports we get an instant &#8216;win&#8217;.  C&#8217;mon kids.  Don&#8217;t beat yourself up, guys.  Maybe if you were chillin with the angels and saw some sort of supernatural change instantly take place when a person is &#8217;saved&#8217; then you would celebrate accordingly.  But we don&#8217;t get that viewpoint.  No biggie.</p>
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		<title>By: Evangelicals In Sports &#124; Caffeinated Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1829</link>
		<dc:creator>Evangelicals In Sports &#124; Caffeinated Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kevin DeYoung  Sphere: Related [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1827</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kevin maybe you could give Ted Kluck to comment on this topic.  I know I would love to hear his take with his book on the subject of Christians and sports, and being a sports writer and all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kevin maybe you could give Ted Kluck to comment on this topic.  I know I would love to hear his take with his book on the subject of Christians and sports, and being a sports writer and all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1825</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing this Kevin. This is exceptionally scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing this Kevin. This is exceptionally scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1823</link>
		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great commentary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1822</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will anybody remember Krattenmaker&#039;s name two thousand years from now? Why does anybody care what Krattenmaker thinks? 

Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will anybody remember Krattenmaker&#8217;s name two thousand years from now? Why does anybody care what Krattenmaker thinks? </p>
<p>Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus in Sports &#171; Pleasing Pain</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1821</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus in Sports &#171; Pleasing Pain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know Jesus only think of us as foolish &#8220;conservative evangelicals&#8221;.  Erik Raymond and Kevin Deyoung have responded.  Below are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] know Jesus only think of us as foolish &#8220;conservative evangelicals&#8221;.  Erik Raymond and Kevin Deyoung have responded.  Below are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/10/16/a-separation-of-church-and-sports/comment-page-1/#comment-1820</link>
		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bit of a bunny trail, but since we&#039;re talking about the passions of Christians...

I&#039;d really like to see more people passionate about their churches, or even the church in general!  (Dan this is in no way directed at you.  I agree that we&#039;re all hypocrites.)  I know so many people that say that they love Jesus, but have no love for his church, and I know a few that even show disdain for it.  

&quot;‘cause i haven’t come for only you
but for my people to pursue
you cannot care for me with no regard for her
if you love me you will love the church&quot;
-Derek Webb

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit of a bunny trail, but since we&#8217;re talking about the passions of Christians&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really like to see more people passionate about their churches, or even the church in general!  (Dan this is in no way directed at you.  I agree that we&#8217;re all hypocrites.)  I know so many people that say that they love Jesus, but have no love for his church, and I know a few that even show disdain for it.  </p>
<p>&#8220;‘cause i haven’t come for only you<br />
but for my people to pursue<br />
you cannot care for me with no regard for her<br />
if you love me you will love the church&#8221;<br />
-Derek Webb</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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