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	<title>Comments on: Divorce and Remarriage: A Smokescreen and a Fire</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;ve been reading the comments on divorce and remarriage.  I think we all have to go back to Christianity 101.  The Bible clearly and overwhelmingly teaches that divorce or remarriage while your spouse is still living is adultery. Plain and simple. No interpretation needed. God has warned us in scripture about end time deception and the great &quot;falling away&quot;.Eph 5:5  For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. And 1Corinthians 6:9-11,  9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;ve been reading the comments on divorce and remarriage.  I think we all have to go back to Christianity 101.  The Bible clearly and overwhelmingly teaches that divorce or remarriage while your spouse is still living is adultery. Plain and simple. No interpretation needed. God has warned us in scripture about end time deception and the great &#8220;falling away&#8221;.Eph 5:5  For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. And 1Corinthians 6:9-11,  9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.</p>
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		<title>By: The Children’s Ministry Blog Patrol (November 2009) &#171; Dad In The Middle</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Children’s Ministry Blog Patrol (November 2009) &#171; Dad In The Middle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Heth&#039;s article about his change of mind.  Like you, I read it some years ago, so the details are fuzzy.  My memory is that his change of mind was largely because his view had not received wide acceptance by his peers.

Of course a change of mind does not mean that he was wrong in his first judgement.

I note too that a recently updated version of the book has been published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Heth&#8217;s article about his change of mind.  Like you, I read it some years ago, so the details are fuzzy.  My memory is that his change of mind was largely because his view had not received wide acceptance by his peers.</p>
<p>Of course a change of mind does not mean that he was wrong in his first judgement.</p>
<p>I note too that a recently updated version of the book has been published.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few additions to the conversation:

1.  Heth has changed his view to some degree.  I don&#039;t have the article, but I did read an article by him in the past few years that explained his change of understanding.

2.  In his article on divorce and remarriage John Piper quotes Tom Schriener as support for the betrothel (engagement) view of the word pornea which is most often translated as adultery in our english translations.  Tom Shriener no longer holds that view.  It was something that he was taught at Western Conservative Seminary under Earl Radmacher during his initial seminary training.

3.  At Bethlehem Baptist there is not agreement among pastor&#039;s supporting John Piper&#039;s view.  Pastors are allowed to hold the view that divorece is allowed for adultery or desertion by an unbelieving spouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few additions to the conversation:</p>
<p>1.  Heth has changed his view to some degree.  I don&#8217;t have the article, but I did read an article by him in the past few years that explained his change of understanding.</p>
<p>2.  In his article on divorce and remarriage John Piper quotes Tom Schriener as support for the betrothel (engagement) view of the word pornea which is most often translated as adultery in our english translations.  Tom Shriener no longer holds that view.  It was something that he was taught at Western Conservative Seminary under Earl Radmacher during his initial seminary training.</p>
<p>3.  At Bethlehem Baptist there is not agreement among pastor&#8217;s supporting John Piper&#8217;s view.  Pastors are allowed to hold the view that divorece is allowed for adultery or desertion by an unbelieving spouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the conservative Christians appear to be ridiculous in
the eyes of thoughtful non-Christians when they continue to 
vocally oppose homosexuality and abortion and say (relatively
speaking) nothing about no-fault divorce. The thoughtful 
non-Christian knows that numerically speaking, it is no-fault
divorce which is ruining the American family.  When the Christian
becomes highly charged by the heinous aspects of abortion 
(babies being ripped apart) and homosexuality (exploitation
of children) and fails to be motivated by the harm of 
divorce, the non-Christian thinks that the believer can
only be motivated by graphical/outrageous issues and not
by more thoughtful/subtle issues (no-fault divorce).  

In short, Christians appear to be simple minded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the conservative Christians appear to be ridiculous in<br />
the eyes of thoughtful non-Christians when they continue to<br />
vocally oppose homosexuality and abortion and say (relatively<br />
speaking) nothing about no-fault divorce. The thoughtful<br />
non-Christian knows that numerically speaking, it is no-fault<br />
divorce which is ruining the American family.  When the Christian<br />
becomes highly charged by the heinous aspects of abortion<br />
(babies being ripped apart) and homosexuality (exploitation<br />
of children) and fails to be motivated by the harm of<br />
divorce, the non-Christian thinks that the believer can<br />
only be motivated by graphical/outrageous issues and not<br />
by more thoughtful/subtle issues (no-fault divorce).  </p>
<p>In short, Christians appear to be simple minded.</p>
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		<title>By: Latest Links &#124; blog of dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latest Links &#124; blog of dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 Cor 7:15 &quot;In such cases..&quot; again clearly exception talk.  So it fits fine with the context and notice the brackets in vs. 10 and verse 12.  Jesus did not address this issue Jesus was addressing a Jewish context (the gospels)when the church was born there were new issues to address.  
 
Bound being different word:  True but the sense is the same.  It would be quite strange to tell someone they are no longer bound and then let them know they cannot remarry for they are bound.  What sense of freedom what this bring?  In the light of the divorce certificate in the day in which in my understanding they would say something like &quot;you are know FREE to remarry.&quot;  Not being bound would make sense, the opposite of bound is free.  God is good and Luke 18:29,30 tells us that Jesus wants to bless these folks who endure the division in family.

You might say well they are free to divorce but not to remarry.  The view of the day was that when you get divorced lawfully you were free to remarry.  The biggest issues were what was lawful.

People abuse this and it causes damage.  Lots of folks abuse grace but we are never going to stop preaching it.

God Bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 Cor 7:15 &#8220;In such cases..&#8221; again clearly exception talk.  So it fits fine with the context and notice the brackets in vs. 10 and verse 12.  Jesus did not address this issue Jesus was addressing a Jewish context (the gospels)when the church was born there were new issues to address.  </p>
<p>Bound being different word:  True but the sense is the same.  It would be quite strange to tell someone they are no longer bound and then let them know they cannot remarry for they are bound.  What sense of freedom what this bring?  In the light of the divorce certificate in the day in which in my understanding they would say something like &#8220;you are know FREE to remarry.&#8221;  Not being bound would make sense, the opposite of bound is free.  God is good and Luke 18:29,30 tells us that Jesus wants to bless these folks who endure the division in family.</p>
<p>You might say well they are free to divorce but not to remarry.  The view of the day was that when you get divorced lawfully you were free to remarry.  The biggest issues were what was lawful.</p>
<p>People abuse this and it causes damage.  Lots of folks abuse grace but we are never going to stop preaching it.</p>
<p>God Bless</p>
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		<title>By: John Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know desertion based on 1 Cor 7:15 has been a standard interpretation in Protestant circles. I think it is exceedingly weak.

1.  It stands in opposition to Jesus&#039; one exception clause (whatever it may mean).

2.  It does not sit comfortably with previous verses. 

&#039;1Co 7:10  To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband(but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.&#039;

3. It is by no means clear that an unbelieving partner is free to remarry, especially in the light of VV10-11.  The much more natural reading and that which would most easily align to divorce in the gospels and earlier in chapter, is that the believing wife is not obliged to harry her unbelieving husband and resist the divorce. &#039;God has called us to peace&#039; further supports this understanding.

4.  Language &#039;is not bound&#039; is different to &#039;bound&#039; in 7:39.

5.   Indeed, on the basis of Jesus&#039; teaching, an unconverted couple who separate are not free to remarry (for Jesus is speaking about marriage in general not merely for christians) however, Paul, we are told is making it possible for a believer and an unbeliever to divorce and remarry.  It doesn&#039;t stack up.

6.   Divorce on the grounds of desertion drives a train and truck through the intention of Jesus to limit divorce.  It legitimates divorce and remarriage for at least one half of any married couple thus making a mockery of the biblical opposition to divorce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know desertion based on 1 Cor 7:15 has been a standard interpretation in Protestant circles. I think it is exceedingly weak.</p>
<p>1.  It stands in opposition to Jesus&#8217; one exception clause (whatever it may mean).</p>
<p>2.  It does not sit comfortably with previous verses. </p>
<p>&#8216;1Co 7:10  To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband(but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.&#8217;</p>
<p>3. It is by no means clear that an unbelieving partner is free to remarry, especially in the light of VV10-11.  The much more natural reading and that which would most easily align to divorce in the gospels and earlier in chapter, is that the believing wife is not obliged to harry her unbelieving husband and resist the divorce. &#8216;God has called us to peace&#8217; further supports this understanding.</p>
<p>4.  Language &#8216;is not bound&#8217; is different to &#8216;bound&#8217; in 7:39.</p>
<p>5.   Indeed, on the basis of Jesus&#8217; teaching, an unconverted couple who separate are not free to remarry (for Jesus is speaking about marriage in general not merely for christians) however, Paul, we are told is making it possible for a believer and an unbeliever to divorce and remarry.  It doesn&#8217;t stack up.</p>
<p>6.   Divorce on the grounds of desertion drives a train and truck through the intention of Jesus to limit divorce.  It legitimates divorce and remarriage for at least one half of any married couple thus making a mockery of the biblical opposition to divorce.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.&quot;  Matthew 23:10

&quot;For when one says, &quot;I follow Paul,&quot; and another, &quot;I follow Apollos,&quot; are you not being merely human?&quot; 1 Cor. 3:4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.&#8221;  Matthew 23:10</p>
<p>&#8220;For when one says, &#8220;I follow Paul,&#8221; and another, &#8220;I follow Apollos,&#8221; are you not being merely human?&#8221; 1 Cor. 3:4</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Adams (not the Paul in post #13)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Adams (not the Paul in post #13)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;every person and church must teach and live according to the dictates of its own conscience informed by a serious study of Scripture.&quot; Amen, Dr. P....Amen!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;every person and church must teach and live according to the dictates of its own conscience informed by a serious study of Scripture.&#8221; Amen, Dr. P&#8230;.Amen!!</p>
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