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		<title>By: Fluency &#187; The Manhattan Declaration</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fluency &#187; The Manhattan Declaration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who have signed Albert Mohler  Kevin DeYoung interesting Scot McKnight Justin Taylor    Share and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: baby blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linkathon 2009: The year in links, part 2 (plus Linkathon 12/30)</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/11/27/re-visiting-the-manhattan-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-3012</link>
		<dc:creator>baby blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linkathon 2009: The year in links, part 2 (plus Linkathon 12/30)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mohler explains why he signed the document as do Kevin DeYoung, Scot McKnight and Ron Sider (HT: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mohler explains why he signed the document as do Kevin DeYoung, Scot McKnight and Ron Sider (HT: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AnglicansUnited.com &#187; My Top Ten Theology Stories of 2009</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/11/27/re-visiting-the-manhattan-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-2990</link>
		<dc:creator>AnglicansUnited.com &#187; My Top Ten Theology Stories of 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fidelity to biblical morality. But the Manhattan Declaration produced an unintended consequence by pitting allies against one another and reigniting a fierce debate over whether evangelicals should engage in ecumenical dialogue and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Manhattan Declaration &#8212; Both Sides Weigh In &#171; Becoming A Titus 2 Woman</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/11/27/re-visiting-the-manhattan-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-2725</link>
		<dc:creator>The Manhattan Declaration &#8212; Both Sides Weigh In &#171; Becoming A Titus 2 Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why Kevin DeYoung signed here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Feeding on Christ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on the Manhattan Declaration</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2009/11/27/re-visiting-the-manhattan-declaration/comment-page-1/#comment-2706</link>
		<dc:creator>Feeding on Christ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on the Manhattan Declaration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] being nothing more than the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent. You can read his analysis here. If you agree with that assessment, I encourage you to read this article. It serves as grounds to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] being nothing more than the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent. You can read his analysis here. If you agree with that assessment, I encourage you to read this article. It serves as grounds to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: evangelicals and roman catholicism &#171; Don&#8217;t Stop Believing</title>
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		<dc:creator>evangelicals and roman catholicism &#171; Don&#8217;t Stop Believing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update on 12/1/09: Kevin DeYoung has a nice summary of the pros and cons of signing the Manhattan Declaration here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Manhattan Declaration And The Next Morning Principle &#171; mgpcpastor&#8217;s blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Manhattan Declaration And The Next Morning Principle &#171; mgpcpastor&#8217;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kevin DeYoung concedes that the reservations expressed could be read into the Declaration while asserting that it does not have to be read in that manner. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: manhatten declaration &#171; Interstitial</title>
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		<dc:creator>manhatten declaration &#171; Interstitial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kevin DeYoung has a thorough and balanced explanation of the controversy, including why there is a controversy and the positions of both sides. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Truth Unites... and Divides</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth Unites... and Divides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Thomas Twitchell&lt;/b&gt;:  &quot;&lt;i&gt;Check my blog, there you will find an example of a Declaration that I would sign.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

I checked it out.  So why not have MacArthur and James White and Steve Camp, et al craft an updated Barmen Declaration for the issues (and any others) that the Manhattan Declaration addresses?  I would probably sign that one too!

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Make no mistake, it was nationalist socialist Protestants that empowered the Reich.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Like today&#039;s Liberal Protestants and Emergers empowering secular liberals.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Until the so called conservatives quit going along with the left in that area, things will continue their decline.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Ummmmmm, that&#039;s what the Manhattan Declaration is trying to do.

BTW, here&#039;s a post by Steve Hays countering Steve Camp&#039;s rants against Evangelical Co-Belligerence:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2005/08/wrap-up-on-camp.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Thomas Twitchell</b>:  &#8220;<i>Check my blog, there you will find an example of a Declaration that I would sign.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I checked it out.  So why not have MacArthur and James White and Steve Camp, et al craft an updated Barmen Declaration for the issues (and any others) that the Manhattan Declaration addresses?  I would probably sign that one too!</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Make no mistake, it was nationalist socialist Protestants that empowered the Reich.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Like today&#8217;s Liberal Protestants and Emergers empowering secular liberals.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Until the so called conservatives quit going along with the left in that area, things will continue their decline.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Ummmmmm, that&#8217;s what the Manhattan Declaration is trying to do.</p>
<p>BTW, here&#8217;s a post by Steve Hays countering Steve Camp&#8217;s rants against Evangelical Co-Belligerence:  <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2005/08/wrap-up-on-camp.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Twitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Twitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pro-Christian, TUAD ;)

No. However, if it was exclusively Reformed I might. You know my posititon TUAD. I have run for political office with the Constitution in one hand and the Gospel in the other. There are principles that I would never lay down for the first- I am under &quot;woe is me&quot; if I did.

Check my blog, there you will find an example of a Declaration that I would sign. I am afraid there are none today who would craft or sign such a document. In it you will find that by the parameters laid down, RCC and Orthodox by definition would not sign it in good conscience. There in is the proplem, the diminution of the the Reformed faith is the very reason tht the Barmen was signed. It targeted both the secular state and the apostate churches that infected it. Let the spokesmen for the Reformed faith craft such a document, let them condemn those who will not uphold the Gospel and at the same time call for action against the state, and I would be much more likely to sign. The result of the Barmen was widespread persecution of believers. Those who recanted were set at liberty. Those who did not were killed or sent to concentration camps. Therein also is a reason that the MD is not worth the paper it is written upon. No such peril will be faced by those who have signed and it will offer no relief from the social/moral decline we face because it is toothless tiger.

When Southern Baptists get their act together and condemn those in their own camp who signed on and supported Obama, when those in their camp recant of their widespread support of other socialist schemes that have empowered the left, when they honor the commandment not to steal or covet a neighbors goods for support of their own aims at wealth distribution, then there might be a solid shove to the right. Till then, until the welfarites of the right stop acting like leftists, the power will remain in the hands of those who also support the immorality that we now have exalted to prominence along with the rights to others&#039; property. Make no mistake, it was nationalist socialist Protestants that empowered the Reich. Until the so called conservatives quit going along with the left in that area, things will continue their decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pro-Christian, TUAD <img src='http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>No. However, if it was exclusively Reformed I might. You know my posititon TUAD. I have run for political office with the Constitution in one hand and the Gospel in the other. There are principles that I would never lay down for the first- I am under &#8220;woe is me&#8221; if I did.</p>
<p>Check my blog, there you will find an example of a Declaration that I would sign. I am afraid there are none today who would craft or sign such a document. In it you will find that by the parameters laid down, RCC and Orthodox by definition would not sign it in good conscience. There in is the proplem, the diminution of the the Reformed faith is the very reason tht the Barmen was signed. It targeted both the secular state and the apostate churches that infected it. Let the spokesmen for the Reformed faith craft such a document, let them condemn those who will not uphold the Gospel and at the same time call for action against the state, and I would be much more likely to sign. The result of the Barmen was widespread persecution of believers. Those who recanted were set at liberty. Those who did not were killed or sent to concentration camps. Therein also is a reason that the MD is not worth the paper it is written upon. No such peril will be faced by those who have signed and it will offer no relief from the social/moral decline we face because it is toothless tiger.</p>
<p>When Southern Baptists get their act together and condemn those in their own camp who signed on and supported Obama, when those in their camp recant of their widespread support of other socialist schemes that have empowered the left, when they honor the commandment not to steal or covet a neighbors goods for support of their own aims at wealth distribution, then there might be a solid shove to the right. Till then, until the welfarites of the right stop acting like leftists, the power will remain in the hands of those who also support the immorality that we now have exalted to prominence along with the rights to others&#8217; property. Make no mistake, it was nationalist socialist Protestants that empowered the Reich. Until the so called conservatives quit going along with the left in that area, things will continue their decline.</p>
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