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		<title>By: Ephesians 4:29 in the Age of Facebook &#124; muses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ephesians 4:29 in the Age of Facebook &#124; muses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 14:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4:29 in the Age of&#160;Facebook  Posted on 24 Jul 2010 by faithandreality   [Via Kevin DeYoung] Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 4:29 in the Age of&nbsp;Facebook  Posted on 24 Jul 2010 by faithandreality   [Via Kevin DeYoung] Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Some of the comments above reveal to me that there is not enough understanding on biblical conflict and communication in the church body. Having been one who has been affected by slander, gossip, etc in church ministry before -- this is not a &quot;small deal.&quot; The teenagers I work with struggle with this stuff, and it is real! It is very damaging and hurtful. Rebukes are to be given in person, with another brother along if needed, and then handled with the elders in the context of the church -- NOT publicly on facebook! Some of the comments above reflect a misunderstanding on biblical rebuke.

Secondly, facebook serves as a buffer between people and is therefore used as an excuse to be &quot;honest&quot; (ie, disregard the feelings of others). This is never right -- if our words don&#039;t fit into the description of love of 1 Cor. 13, then they shouldn&#039;t be said, whether on or offline.

Scripture has a ton to say about language, and it applies to comments made online, as well as comments made face to face. In fact, a good rule of thumb is &quot;if I wouldn&#039;t say this in person to this person, then I shouldn&#039;t say it to them or about them online!&quot;

Good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Some of the comments above reveal to me that there is not enough understanding on biblical conflict and communication in the church body. Having been one who has been affected by slander, gossip, etc in church ministry before &#8212; this is not a &#8220;small deal.&#8221; The teenagers I work with struggle with this stuff, and it is real! It is very damaging and hurtful. Rebukes are to be given in person, with another brother along if needed, and then handled with the elders in the context of the church &#8212; NOT publicly on facebook! Some of the comments above reflect a misunderstanding on biblical rebuke.</p>
<p>Secondly, facebook serves as a buffer between people and is therefore used as an excuse to be &#8220;honest&#8221; (ie, disregard the feelings of others). This is never right &#8212; if our words don&#8217;t fit into the description of love of 1 Cor. 13, then they shouldn&#8217;t be said, whether on or offline.</p>
<p>Scripture has a ton to say about language, and it applies to comments made online, as well as comments made face to face. In fact, a good rule of thumb is &#8220;if I wouldn&#8217;t say this in person to this person, then I shouldn&#8217;t say it to them or about them online!&#8221;</p>
<p>Good post.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkathon 7/7 &#171; BrianD blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkathon 7/7 &#171; BrianD blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 05:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doug Phillips on Ephesians 4:29 in the age of Facebook. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JDM</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2010/07/02/ephesians-429-in-the-age-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-6282</link>
		<dc:creator>JDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post; I have linked to it off a couple of my FB group pages aimed at high school athletes that I coach.  As to the concerns aired here, I find myself in the same place when it comes to differentiating between critiques and disagreements that are aired frankly and openly vs. words that damage.  Problem is, there is not a neat &quot;either or&quot; here because the messages we communicate are not always what we say but what others hear.  So the challenge is to communicate as clearly as possible in a way that is not meant to denigrate others created in God&#039;s image.  In this I pray for wisdom.

As to the wreckless posting alluded to in the post; it seems quite obvious that there is enough of that to go around.  Thanks again, Doug, for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post; I have linked to it off a couple of my FB group pages aimed at high school athletes that I coach.  As to the concerns aired here, I find myself in the same place when it comes to differentiating between critiques and disagreements that are aired frankly and openly vs. words that damage.  Problem is, there is not a neat &#8220;either or&#8221; here because the messages we communicate are not always what we say but what others hear.  So the challenge is to communicate as clearly as possible in a way that is not meant to denigrate others created in God&#8217;s image.  In this I pray for wisdom.</p>
<p>As to the wreckless posting alluded to in the post; it seems quite obvious that there is enough of that to go around.  Thanks again, Doug, for the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Link-Happy Post &#124; This Whole Life</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2010/07/02/ephesians-429-in-the-age-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-6279</link>
		<dc:creator>Link-Happy Post &#124; This Whole Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ephesians 4.29 is usually stuck in my head somewhere.  I wish I obeyed it more often.  But, especially in light of social media - how do you find yourself living obediently of this verse?  Kevin Deyoung helps us [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ephesians 4.29 is usually stuck in my head somewhere.  I wish I obeyed it more often.  But, especially in light of social media &#8211; how do you find yourself living obediently of this verse?  Kevin Deyoung helps us [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

I don&#039;t think I&#039;d really disagree with the concern reflected in your comment.  My focus was more on interpersonal, relational matters.

Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d really disagree with the concern reflected in your comment.  My focus was more on interpersonal, relational matters.</p>
<p>Doug</p>
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		<title>By: my life and my doctrine &#187; Facebook as a global, public medium</title>
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		<dc:creator>my life and my doctrine &#187; Facebook as a global, public medium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doug Phillips [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Miscellanies: Other Thoughts Worth Reading (7/5) &#171; Theologicalsynergy</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2010/07/02/ephesians-429-in-the-age-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-6271</link>
		<dc:creator>Miscellanies: Other Thoughts Worth Reading (7/5) &#171; Theologicalsynergy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2010/07/02/ephesians-429-in-the-age-of-facebook/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2010/07/02/ephesians-429-in-the-age-of-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-6270</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I agree in a blanket manner.

But, firstly, I not only agree that abusive and slanderous speech is sinful in the way highlighted,  but I, myself, have been the perpetrator of said acts in the past and am still embarrassed about them and have not been able to make good of them.  They are, rightly, my albatross in many ways.

However, is there not a place for clear rebuke relating to specific acts or consistent behavior?  How can it be that we are to only address the issues, and not, correctly and publicly, connect persons with those ideas and/or acts which have become part of their persona?  The same Paul who tells us to speak evil of no one, also enumerates evil committed against him and against the church of Christ in other passages.

Doug, if you are going to press Ephesians 4:29 into service outside the body of Christ, then do we not do as Paul did within and without the church in the secular realm?  

One does not have to presume to be self righteous to say that certain things are right and certain things are wrong, and that certain acts are extremely foolish to the point of being dangerous and hurtful.  We live in a political system which calls for, and is most effective when people to engage in open, rigorous debate.  If &quot;Submitting&quot; means not doing that, or doing it in a way that is so opaque and limp that no one knows what you&#039;re talking about, what&#039;s the point?  

I am not saying that persons here do this, I am saying that there have been a ton of &quot;Christians aren&#039;t nice enough&quot; posts, which make unqualified statements about the necessity of &quot;building up&quot; to the apparent exclusion of any clear and zealous rebuke, which does not need to be slanderous or &quot;evil&quot; to cut to the foundation of the issue or the behavior.

I guess my biggest concern is that what seems to be missing from your assessment, Doug, is that there is a place for this criticism if it is not done &lt;i&gt;ad hominem&lt;/i&gt;, and I feel that your, and others, concerns would be more helpful if you said that.  What seems to be advocated here is if you don&#039;t have anything nice to say, don&#039;t say nothing at all.  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what you meant, but that&#039;s how it comes across and, sadly, you wouldn&#039;t be the only person saying it.

Thanks,

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree in a blanket manner.</p>
<p>But, firstly, I not only agree that abusive and slanderous speech is sinful in the way highlighted,  but I, myself, have been the perpetrator of said acts in the past and am still embarrassed about them and have not been able to make good of them.  They are, rightly, my albatross in many ways.</p>
<p>However, is there not a place for clear rebuke relating to specific acts or consistent behavior?  How can it be that we are to only address the issues, and not, correctly and publicly, connect persons with those ideas and/or acts which have become part of their persona?  The same Paul who tells us to speak evil of no one, also enumerates evil committed against him and against the church of Christ in other passages.</p>
<p>Doug, if you are going to press Ephesians 4:29 into service outside the body of Christ, then do we not do as Paul did within and without the church in the secular realm?  </p>
<p>One does not have to presume to be self righteous to say that certain things are right and certain things are wrong, and that certain acts are extremely foolish to the point of being dangerous and hurtful.  We live in a political system which calls for, and is most effective when people to engage in open, rigorous debate.  If &#8220;Submitting&#8221; means not doing that, or doing it in a way that is so opaque and limp that no one knows what you&#8217;re talking about, what&#8217;s the point?  </p>
<p>I am not saying that persons here do this, I am saying that there have been a ton of &#8220;Christians aren&#8217;t nice enough&#8221; posts, which make unqualified statements about the necessity of &#8220;building up&#8221; to the apparent exclusion of any clear and zealous rebuke, which does not need to be slanderous or &#8220;evil&#8221; to cut to the foundation of the issue or the behavior.</p>
<p>I guess my biggest concern is that what seems to be missing from your assessment, Doug, is that there is a place for this criticism if it is not done <i>ad hominem</i>, and I feel that your, and others, concerns would be more helpful if you said that.  What seems to be advocated here is if you don&#8217;t have anything nice to say, don&#8217;t say nothing at all.  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what you meant, but that&#8217;s how it comes across and, sadly, you wouldn&#8217;t be the only person saying it.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel Marchenko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavel Marchenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that FaceBook and other social sites do a great favor to pastors and youth group leaders, it is yet another tool to look in the souls of our members and know their problems, struggles and battles that they go through. 

I am a FB friend with majority of my youth group and i can see, (monitor) if you will, their spiritual progress through the daily reading of FB updates, and I can influence them as well on the same level. I know who is wasting their time playing &quot;Mafia Wars&quot; and &quot;Farm Will&quot;, I can read about their free time, their B-day parties etc. 

I love the common Grace of the FaceBook, and I think that we should chanel it in the right way to get more good out of it.

Bless you all.

P.S my FB name pavelmarchenko</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that FaceBook and other social sites do a great favor to pastors and youth group leaders, it is yet another tool to look in the souls of our members and know their problems, struggles and battles that they go through. </p>
<p>I am a FB friend with majority of my youth group and i can see, (monitor) if you will, their spiritual progress through the daily reading of FB updates, and I can influence them as well on the same level. I know who is wasting their time playing &#8220;Mafia Wars&#8221; and &#8220;Farm Will&#8221;, I can read about their free time, their B-day parties etc. </p>
<p>I love the common Grace of the FaceBook, and I think that we should chanel it in the right way to get more good out of it.</p>
<p>Bless you all.</p>
<p>P.S my FB name pavelmarchenko</p>
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