Comments on: How Denominations Come to Tolerate, Accept, and then Endorse Homosexuality http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/ Thu, 23 May 2013 12:12:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Matt http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35320 Matt Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:09:55 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35320 @ Greg It’s cool if you’re happy, but it seems really curious to me that such a high percentage of people who claim that they “used to be gay” get paid to say it. Suffice it to say, I wasn’t surprised to see the “Giving” tab on the “exgay” page you linked to your comment. Not a bad gig, if you can get it. @ Greg

It’s cool if you’re happy, but it seems really curious to me that such a high percentage of people who claim that they “used to be gay” get paid to say it.

Suffice it to say, I wasn’t surprised to see the “Giving” tab on the “exgay” page you linked to your comment.

Not a bad gig, if you can get it.

]]> By: Matt http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35319 Matt Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:57:24 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35319 @Austin, It’s certainly possible that I misunderstood the gist of the article and comments, but I can assure you I wasn’t trying to intentionally misrepresent them. If the point of the article wasn’t to affirm that study groups lead inevitably to apostasy then what was the point? The post seems to lay out a number of scenarios: • If the first study committee comes back with a traditional reading of the text,… • if the legislative body dismisses the committee’s progressive interpretation,… • if the traditional view cannot be overturned right away, … but all the scenarios “start with a study group” and end with “denominations com[ing] to tolerate, accept, and then endorse homosexuality.” In this context, I took the phrase “The first step is always a study committee” to imply a certain inevitability, a slippery slope that true Christians would want to avoid because it leads inextricably to heresy. Other commenters also seemed drawn to the phrase’s evocative power, with three commenters quoting the phrase verbatim. Now you’ve got me curious. How do you interpret the post? @Austin,

It’s certainly possible that I misunderstood the gist of the article and comments, but I can assure you I wasn’t trying to intentionally misrepresent them.

If the point of the article wasn’t to affirm that study groups lead inevitably to apostasy then what was the point?

The post seems to lay out a number of scenarios:

• If the first study committee comes back with a traditional reading of the text,…
• if the legislative body dismisses the committee’s progressive interpretation,…
• if the traditional view cannot be overturned right away, …

but all the scenarios “start with a study group” and end with “denominations com[ing] to tolerate, accept, and then endorse homosexuality.”

In this context, I took the phrase “The first step is always a study committee” to imply a certain inevitability, a slippery slope that true Christians would want to avoid because it leads inextricably to heresy.

Other commenters also seemed drawn to the phrase’s evocative power, with three commenters quoting the phrase verbatim.

Now you’ve got me curious. How do you interpret the post?

]]> By: Greg Haislip http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35309 Greg Haislip Sat, 16 Feb 2013 23:51:04 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35309 I used to be gay, but over SEVEN years ago Jesus set me FREE! I am now free from the sin of homosexuality. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman according to the King James Bible (Genesis 2:24) so I am now married and my wife is pregnant by me. My wife used to be a victim of domestic violence in her first marriage, but Jesus set her FREE. I used to be gay, but over SEVEN years ago Jesus set me FREE! I am now free from the sin of homosexuality. Marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman according to the King James Bible (Genesis 2:24) so I am now married and my wife is pregnant by me. My wife used to be a victim of domestic violence in her first marriage, but Jesus set her FREE.

]]> By: Austin http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35304 Austin Sat, 16 Feb 2013 20:14:07 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35304 Matt, that isn't at all what the article or Kevin's post above says. How about some intellectual honesty? Matt, that isn’t at all what the article or Kevin’s post above says. How about some intellectual honesty?

]]> By: Paul Janssen http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35303 Paul Janssen Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:33:50 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35303 Why yes, Matt. It explains why so many people say "theres no need for dialogue!" "We don't need to talk about it!" . . . . . because of exactly what you say. "Transformation" is valid, as long as it means what I want it to mean, right? If I'm a revisionist, then I want folks who are traditionalists to open their hearts to the Spirit so they can be transformed (i.e., so they can start thinking the way I interpret the Scriptures.) If I'm a traditionalist, I want revisionists to be transformed (i.e., so they can start thinking the way I interpret the Scriptures). What I miss from the traditionalists -- which I hear openly from revisionists -- is the fact that BOTH sides are interpreting the Scriptures. That's an argument Brownson makes in his book. He knows he's interpreting, and he openly admits it. But what I hear from traditionalists is "I'm just saying exactly what the Bible says." Why yes, Matt. It explains why so many people say “theres no need for dialogue!” “We don’t need to talk about it!” . . . . . because of exactly what you say. “Transformation” is valid, as long as it means what I want it to mean, right? If I’m a revisionist, then I want folks who are traditionalists to open their hearts to the Spirit so they can be transformed (i.e., so they can start thinking the way I interpret the Scriptures.) If I’m a traditionalist, I want revisionists to be transformed (i.e., so they can start thinking the way I interpret the Scriptures). What I miss from the traditionalists — which I hear openly from revisionists — is the fact that BOTH sides are interpreting the Scriptures. That’s an argument Brownson makes in his book. He knows he’s interpreting, and he openly admits it. But what I hear from traditionalists is “I’m just saying exactly what the Bible says.”

]]> By: Matt http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35302 Matt Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:55:30 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35302 The whole point of this article (and most of the comments) has been that as soon as churches start to study issues related to homosexuality they end up becoming much more open and affirming of gay people who decide to enter committed partnerships. Hmmmmmm So what you’re saying is that when most Christians sit down to actually study this issue they decide that an absolutist position that opposes same-sex relationships in all situations is indefensible. Hmmmmmm Don’t you think that should tell us something? The whole point of this article (and most of the comments) has been that as soon as churches start to study issues related to homosexuality they end up becoming much more open and affirming of gay people who decide to enter committed partnerships.

Hmmmmmm

So what you’re saying is that when most Christians sit down to actually study this issue they decide that an absolutist position that opposes same-sex relationships in all situations is indefensible.

Hmmmmmm

Don’t you think that should tell us something?

]]> By: Andy http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35279 Andy Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:15:05 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35279 @Austin: fully agree. a pity they aren't prosecuted for false advertising, as jesus has well and truly left the building. a pity that heretical 'churches' don't close sooner @Austin: fully agree. a pity they aren’t prosecuted for false advertising, as jesus has well and truly left the building. a pity that heretical ‘churches’ don’t close sooner

]]> By: Marsisme http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35265 Marsisme Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:12:06 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35265 An interesting book for all those who have appealed to logic and debate: The Geography of Thought by Richard Nisbett (Free Press - Div of Simon & Schuster). To say the least, it will give you much to ponder. A necessary read for evangelicals. An interesting book for all those who have appealed to logic and debate: The Geography of Thought by Richard Nisbett (Free Press – Div of Simon & Schuster). To say the least, it will give you much to ponder. A necessary read for evangelicals.

]]> By: Austin http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35248 Austin Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:43:54 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35248 No worries, these denominations that accept what the Bible clearly calls sin almost always die off. These are dying or dead congregations of people who know their church is a bad joke. No worries, these denominations that accept what the Bible clearly calls sin almost always die off. These are dying or dead congregations of people who know their church is a bad joke.

]]> By: Faithworks http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2013/02/12/how-denominations-come-to-tolerate-accept-and-then-endorse-homosexuality/comment-page-2/#comment-35227 Faithworks Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:10:14 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/?p=8671#comment-35227 @Around the Horn. "The first step is always a study committee." How true, how true! @Around the Horn. “The first step is always a study committee.” How true, how true!

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