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	<title>Comments on: My last Super Bowl</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2147</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is &quot;Planet Earth&quot; the discovery channel vulgar?  I think you may be reaching...but thats just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is &#8220;Planet Earth&#8221; the discovery channel vulgar?  I think you may be reaching&#8230;but thats just me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark H. Meyers</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2142</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark H. Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoroughly enjoy the game and the group of people that I was with that day.  This game and all that is around it gives me a glimpse into what the culture values-- great sermon stuff.  I will continue watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoroughly enjoy the game and the group of people that I was with that day.  This game and all that is around it gives me a glimpse into what the culture values&#8211; great sermon stuff.  I will continue watching.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2139</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s on TV. By definition that makes it vulgar.  Real ... maybe just smart ... or growing ... Christians don&#039;t watch TV. I am believing that more and more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s on TV. By definition that makes it vulgar.  Real &#8230; maybe just smart &#8230; or growing &#8230; Christians don&#8217;t watch TV. I am believing that more and more.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2136</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The beauty of watching the Super Bowl in the UK - no commercials, just football.</description>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2135</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all I think Deeper Still is the best blog going. I absolutely love it, and I gain more insight from it than any blog I visit. I fear my inquiry was read with a harsher tone than I intended. And Matt, I have no idea the breadth to which Pastor Ortlund is applying this ethic so in that sense I receive your correction. The direction from which I was commenting is in relation to Pastor Ortlund&#039;s appreciation of art or popular music. His comments could be reframed like this:

&quot;Rock and Roll music is not just another genre.  It has become an intensified concentration of vulgarity and ego, with enough brilliance in the muscianship and cleverness in the lyrics to trick me into listening.  It’s simply not what I’m living for.&quot;

Does that make sense?

I did not comment to be an apologist of the super bowl. I enjoyed the two and half quarters I watched, and I excused myself or talked to a friend during most of the commercials (I watched the Tebow ads, and those E-trade babies make me laugh).  I actually share his conviction about the carnality of the advertising content. So even though I don&#039;t think I could confuse football for &quot;something I am living for&quot; I do understand the trajectory of Ray&#039;s comment/conviction. I just wonder, and not in an indicting way, how this conclusion is arrived at, and in what way it applies to the other media/entertainment we consume? Certainly it does apply, but why this and maybe not that? 

Sorry to those of you I upset. It did make me think, and my statement concerning a slippery slope was not a declaration. I followed it with questions marks to convey curiosity, and possibly spur dialogue...the very thing Matt called for and provided. However, I agree this was was a statement of personal conviction, but since it is one that he made public on his blog it seems to be more than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all I think Deeper Still is the best blog going. I absolutely love it, and I gain more insight from it than any blog I visit. I fear my inquiry was read with a harsher tone than I intended. And Matt, I have no idea the breadth to which Pastor Ortlund is applying this ethic so in that sense I receive your correction. The direction from which I was commenting is in relation to Pastor Ortlund&#8217;s appreciation of art or popular music. His comments could be reframed like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Rock and Roll music is not just another genre.  It has become an intensified concentration of vulgarity and ego, with enough brilliance in the muscianship and cleverness in the lyrics to trick me into listening.  It’s simply not what I’m living for.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does that make sense?</p>
<p>I did not comment to be an apologist of the super bowl. I enjoyed the two and half quarters I watched, and I excused myself or talked to a friend during most of the commercials (I watched the Tebow ads, and those E-trade babies make me laugh).  I actually share his conviction about the carnality of the advertising content. So even though I don&#8217;t think I could confuse football for &#8220;something I am living for&#8221; I do understand the trajectory of Ray&#8217;s comment/conviction. I just wonder, and not in an indicting way, how this conclusion is arrived at, and in what way it applies to the other media/entertainment we consume? Certainly it does apply, but why this and maybe not that? </p>
<p>Sorry to those of you I upset. It did make me think, and my statement concerning a slippery slope was not a declaration. I followed it with questions marks to convey curiosity, and possibly spur dialogue&#8230;the very thing Matt called for and provided. However, I agree this was was a statement of personal conviction, but since it is one that he made public on his blog it seems to be more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Redmond</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2132</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Redmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR,

Ray has no need of me to defend him but I am going to anyway.

First, how do you know he is only applying this to the Super Bowl? He simply wrote a short paragraph in the context of a Super Bowl weekend. It was the subject at hand and was not meant to be and should not be applied as a pervasive critique of the multifaceted parts of our culture. He applied this ethic to the Super Bowl because this was his only subject. He should not cover any other subject at all for us to think deeply about what he said.

Second, if your second sentence is a statement posed as a question then I would have to ask, &quot;Why&quot;? What about his statement about a singular subject can be construed as to be a slippery slope?  At most it is a step in particular direction. Again, it is one subject, the Super Bowl, a singular event in our culture. There is nothing about his statement that necessitates an expectation of a slippery slope.

Third, a reasonable response to Ray&#039;s post would be, &quot;Hmm, that might be worth thinking about and dialoging about.&quot; This is proper because not only did he not make any pronouncements about anyone else&#039;s need to follow him in his decision but also because it was not an argument. It was a statement of personal conviction.

Fourth, your response seems to be a veiled defense of your enjoyment and the lack of a shared conviction. You could have just as well have shared your feelings and be assured Ray would have enjoyed your perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR,</p>
<p>Ray has no need of me to defend him but I am going to anyway.</p>
<p>First, how do you know he is only applying this to the Super Bowl? He simply wrote a short paragraph in the context of a Super Bowl weekend. It was the subject at hand and was not meant to be and should not be applied as a pervasive critique of the multifaceted parts of our culture. He applied this ethic to the Super Bowl because this was his only subject. He should not cover any other subject at all for us to think deeply about what he said.</p>
<p>Second, if your second sentence is a statement posed as a question then I would have to ask, &#8220;Why&#8221;? What about his statement about a singular subject can be construed as to be a slippery slope?  At most it is a step in particular direction. Again, it is one subject, the Super Bowl, a singular event in our culture. There is nothing about his statement that necessitates an expectation of a slippery slope.</p>
<p>Third, a reasonable response to Ray&#8217;s post would be, &#8220;Hmm, that might be worth thinking about and dialoging about.&#8221; This is proper because not only did he not make any pronouncements about anyone else&#8217;s need to follow him in his decision but also because it was not an argument. It was a statement of personal conviction.</p>
<p>Fourth, your response seems to be a veiled defense of your enjoyment and the lack of a shared conviction. You could have just as well have shared your feelings and be assured Ray would have enjoyed your perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2131</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how many comments this short post generated. Mr. Ortlund hardly expounded on the subject. There is just not enough information for some of the objections raised. For example, JR&#039;s last comment. How does one know Ortlund is only applying this ethic to the Super Bowl?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how many comments this short post generated. Mr. Ortlund hardly expounded on the subject. There is just not enough information for some of the objections raised. For example, JR&#8217;s last comment. How does one know Ortlund is only applying this ethic to the Super Bowl?</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2130</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you only applying this ethic to the super bowl? 

Appears to be a slippery slope???</description>
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<p>Appears to be a slippery slope???</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Barcellos</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2127</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Barcellos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s something that might interest some of you: http://www.mctsowensboro.org/mcts-blog/ray-ortlund-and-c-h-spurgeon-on-the-super-bowl/

Rich B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s something that might interest some of you: <a href="http://www.mctsowensboro.org/mcts-blog/ray-ortlund-and-c-h-spurgeon-on-the-super-bowl/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mctsowensboro.org/mcts-blog/ray-ortlund-and-c-h-spurgeon-on-the-super-bowl/</a></p>
<p>Rich B.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaye Clark,Evans Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaye Clark,Evans Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..it is on the Lord’s Day. Does this matter to anyone?&quot; Amen Bro.
Where are the Eric Liddells of our day? Did not his abstension on Sunday- at great personal sacrifice not only bring God glory, but alos led to a profound witness for generations to come?
Thanks for your courage, Dr. Ortlund. If there were more like  you, maybe our young folks would gather around something more profound than a super size screen on Sunday night.
 Lord give us greater ambitions, healther pass times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..it is on the Lord’s Day. Does this matter to anyone?&#8221; Amen Bro.<br />
Where are the Eric Liddells of our day? Did not his abstension on Sunday- at great personal sacrifice not only bring God glory, but alos led to a profound witness for generations to come?<br />
Thanks for your courage, Dr. Ortlund. If there were more like  you, maybe our young folks would gather around something more profound than a super size screen on Sunday night.<br />
 Lord give us greater ambitions, healther pass times.</p>
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		<title>By: Post Super Bowl thoughts &#171; Strengthened by Grace</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2124</link>
		<dc:creator>Post Super Bowl thoughts &#171; Strengthened by Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m mulling over Ray Ortlund&#8217;s announcement that this is his last Super Bowl: &#8220;The Super Bowl is not just another NFL game.  It has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m mulling over Ray Ortlund&#8217;s announcement that this is his last Super Bowl: &#8220;The Super Bowl is not just another NFL game.  It has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Redmond</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2123</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Redmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray,

I think you hit a nerve here...one coursing with idols. thanks for this.</description>
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<p>I think you hit a nerve here&#8230;one coursing with idols. thanks for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2122</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary
listen to your wife and relax. Y&#039;all don&#039;t be so heavenly minded you&#039;re no earthly good. Non-Christians are your guilt target, not your real target, if you are unwilling to join the superbowl conversation. Not that the superbowl is the only locus for your malaise but it illustrates the tortured souls you are lugging around which are totally non attractive, non engaging and ... Icky for someone looking for a positive friend he can relate to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary<br />
listen to your wife and relax. Y&#8217;all don&#8217;t be so heavenly minded you&#8217;re no earthly good. Non-Christians are your guilt target, not your real target, if you are unwilling to join the superbowl conversation. Not that the superbowl is the only locus for your malaise but it illustrates the tortured souls you are lugging around which are totally non attractive, non engaging and &#8230; Icky for someone looking for a positive friend he can relate to.</p>
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		<title>By: Filipe Niel</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2121</link>
		<dc:creator>Filipe Niel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESPN Brasil shows only the game... so we don&#039;t get to see the comercials here, what I guess is a good thing!</description>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2120</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you feel it&#039;s not for you, you gotta stop.  Somebody might try to say, &quot;Are you going to then avoid all things containing vularity and ego?  Isn&#039;t that most commercial TV and much of &#039;the world?&#039;&quot;  But I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the point.  If it&#039;s sin for you, that&#039;s it.

In the last few years I&#039;ve discovered I can deeply follow my Texas Longhorns and Indiana Hoosiers thru blogs.  It&#039;s too much, I&#039;m going too far -- I can recite the narrative of games and seasons, and sometimes I find myself during the season reviewing those narratives in my head first thing in the morning walking the dog.  And that&#039;s not from watching full games -- just snatches, and DVR skims and then maybe 5 minutes a day reading blogs.  

My wife tries to tell me, &quot;Gary, it&#039;s OK, relax.&quot;  But the little daily drip adds up to a little preoccupation that takes my mind away from more meaningful things.  You can only think of one thing at a time, you know.  I just sense it&#039;s not right, though I would never tell anyone else not to.

So for me, same challenge -- it&#039;s not what I&#039;m living for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you feel it&#8217;s not for you, you gotta stop.  Somebody might try to say, &#8220;Are you going to then avoid all things containing vularity and ego?  Isn&#8217;t that most commercial TV and much of &#8216;the world?&#8217;&#8221;  But I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the point.  If it&#8217;s sin for you, that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>In the last few years I&#8217;ve discovered I can deeply follow my Texas Longhorns and Indiana Hoosiers thru blogs.  It&#8217;s too much, I&#8217;m going too far &#8212; I can recite the narrative of games and seasons, and sometimes I find myself during the season reviewing those narratives in my head first thing in the morning walking the dog.  And that&#8217;s not from watching full games &#8212; just snatches, and DVR skims and then maybe 5 minutes a day reading blogs.  </p>
<p>My wife tries to tell me, &#8220;Gary, it&#8217;s OK, relax.&#8221;  But the little daily drip adds up to a little preoccupation that takes my mind away from more meaningful things.  You can only think of one thing at a time, you know.  I just sense it&#8217;s not right, though I would never tell anyone else not to.</p>
<p>So for me, same challenge &#8212; it&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m living for.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Nearhood</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2119</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Nearhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  Which is the sole reason that last year&#039;s Super Bowl was my last.</description>
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		<title>By: matthew birch</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2118</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just TiVo it and skip the commercials!</description>
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		<title>By: David Charles</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2117</link>
		<dc:creator>David Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, it is on the Lord&#039;s Day.  Does this matter to anyone?</description>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2116</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. To James above, my flight was on Air Canada so I assume my pilot was Canadian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. To James above, my flight was on Air Canada so I assume my pilot was Canadian.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2010/02/08/my-last-super-bowl/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you! I never watch it so I&#039;m not really sure what you&#039;re talking about. But I know you love football so I respect your decision not to overlook things that offend you.  P.S. On my last flight into Regina last night, the pilot kept coming on the intercom to update all of the sleepy travelers on the Superbowl--I was hoping for an update on the weather, the route, I don&#039;t care about football!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you! I never watch it so I&#8217;m not really sure what you&#8217;re talking about. But I know you love football so I respect your decision not to overlook things that offend you.  P.S. On my last flight into Regina last night, the pilot kept coming on the intercom to update all of the sleepy travelers on the Superbowl&#8211;I was hoping for an update on the weather, the route, I don&#8217;t care about football!</p>
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