Comments for Ray Ortlund http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund Christ Is Deeper Still Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:01:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by Weekly Roundup | LivingNGrace http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7918 Weekly Roundup | LivingNGrace Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:01:59 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7918 [...] Weekly Roundup Posted on February 10, 2012 by Luther Wesley Church or Kingdom??? [...] [...] Weekly Roundup Posted on February 10, 2012 by Luther Wesley Church or Kingdom??? [...]

]]> Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by The Goods « Core Fellowship – South Shores Church http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7917 The Goods « Core Fellowship – South Shores Church Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:23:02 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7917 [...] My Church or the Kingdom? Ray Ortlund offers a brief, but poignant thought about how our grand statements can hurt instead of help. “‘If you care about the Kingdom, good. Now be the kind of person who can be counted on in your own church. Join your church, pray for your church, tithe to your church, throw yourself into the life of your church with wholehearted passion.” [...] [...] My Church or the Kingdom? Ray Ortlund offers a brief, but poignant thought about how our grand statements can hurt instead of help. “‘If you care about the Kingdom, good. Now be the kind of person who can be counted on in your own church. Join your church, pray for your church, tithe to your church, throw yourself into the life of your church with wholehearted passion.” [...]

]]> Comment on Something profound in our generation by Something profound in our generation – evangelismofthegospelblogs http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/09/something-profound-in-our-generation/#comment-7916 Something profound in our generation – evangelismofthegospelblogs Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:50:31 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/?p=7541#comment-7916 [...] FROM Evangelism Of The Gospel source http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/09/something-profound-in-our-generation/ #family movie -THE LAMP- one family's loss shows them how to turn to Faith instead of magic [...] [...] FROM Evangelism Of The Gospel source http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/09/something-profound-in-our-generation/ #family movie -THE LAMP- one family's loss shows them how to turn to Faith instead of magic [...]

]]> Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by God (Marriage) not Church (Wife) « http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7914 God (Marriage) not Church (Wife) « Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:58:17 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7914 [...] perspective on this, Ray Ortlund’s blog, My Church or The Kingdom: “My passion isn’t to build up my church.  My passion is for God’s [...] [...] perspective on this, Ray Ortlund’s blog, My Church or The Kingdom: “My passion isn’t to build up my church.  My passion is for God’s [...]

]]> Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by Jack http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7913 Jack Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:31:33 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7913 I don't have a passion to build the church, my marriage, or the Kingdom but I enjoy all three. Maybe we overestimate our contribution to the deal. I don’t have a passion to build the church, my marriage, or the Kingdom but I enjoy all three. Maybe we overestimate our contribution to the deal.

]]> Comment on Always an adventure by pete http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/08/always-an-adventure/#comment-7910 pete Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:35:11 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/?p=2567#comment-7910 I understand the post but I am not so sure that we can "master" the law. Otherwise why the need for God's unlimited grace? I understand the post but I am not so sure that we can “master” the law. Otherwise why the need for God’s unlimited grace?

]]> Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by Church Vs. Kingdom | Already Not Yet http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7909 Church Vs. Kingdom | Already Not Yet Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:04:45 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7909 [...] Ray Ortlund: [...] [...] Ray Ortlund: [...]

]]> Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by Dave http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7908 Dave Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:33:15 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7908 I presently am serving a church on a part-time basis where the focus isn't so much 'To God BE the Glory' as it is "I like this part of the church service, I didn't like that part." I've been encouraging folks in the church to think in Kingdom terms. It's larger than merely the 'like/dislike' of what happens in church. It's also easier to have a congregation get on the same page since the word 'church' doesn't appear in scripture but 'Kingdom' does. My desire is for them to see that they are part of something larger than just their like and dislikes. And I think using Kingdom Language is helpful. Plus, it ties in every Sunday when the Lord's Prayer is prayed. I presently am serving a church on a part-time basis where the focus isn’t so much ‘To God BE the Glory’ as it is “I like this part of the church service, I didn’t like that part.”

I’ve been encouraging folks in the church to think in Kingdom terms. It’s larger than merely the ‘like/dislike’ of what happens in church. It’s also easier to have a congregation get on the same page since the word ‘church’ doesn’t appear in scripture but ‘Kingdom’ does.

My desire is for them to see that they are part of something larger than just their like and dislikes. And I think using Kingdom Language is helpful. Plus, it ties in every Sunday when the Lord’s Prayer is prayed.

]]> Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by Byron M http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7907 Byron M Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:47:20 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7907 Ray, yes and amen. Thank you for this spot on exhortation. Ray, yes and amen. Thank you for this spot on exhortation.

]]> Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by Can you be about the Kingdom but not about your church? | All Things New http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7904 Can you be about the Kingdom but not about your church? | All Things New Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:25:12 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7904 [...] local church is a misunderstanding of “Kingdom.” See what Ray Ortlund has to say here. Like this:LikeBe the first to like this [...] [...] local church is a misunderstanding of “Kingdom.” See what Ray Ortlund has to say here. Like this:LikeBe the first to like this [...]

]]> Comment on Danger there must be by Barry http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/06/danger-there-must-be/#comment-7903 Barry Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:01:41 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/?p=7517#comment-7903 Tks Ray - I have friends who now need to hear the gospel truths contained in this posting. "Always on the mark" (is what keeps me coming back to this blog) Tks Ray – I have friends who now need to hear the gospel truths contained in this posting.
“Always on the mark” (is what keeps me coming back to this blog)

]]> Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by Randy Davis http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7902 Randy Davis Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:56:42 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7902 The idea of Kingdom is an intangible ideal that can be filled by any kind of theological manipulation. In reality, the local church is the only earthly expression of the Kingdom of God. The local church is the only place to carry out Kingdom work. Therefore all para-church organizations should have as their goal to promote the local church. If one wants to promote the Kingdom of God, then one must promote, build up, encourage, cultivate and protect the local expression of that Kingdom, which is the church. The idea of Kingdom is an intangible ideal that can be filled by any kind of theological manipulation. In reality, the local church is the only earthly expression of the Kingdom of God. The local church is the only place to carry out Kingdom work. Therefore all para-church organizations should have as their goal to promote the local church. If one wants to promote the Kingdom of God, then one must promote, build up, encourage, cultivate and protect the local expression of that Kingdom, which is the church.

]]> Comment on Danger there must be by pete http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/06/danger-there-must-be/#comment-7901 pete Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:08:13 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/?p=7517#comment-7901 Thanks Ray. Good post. Sometimes, particularly as you get older and spiritually wiser, it becomes harder to accept the forgiveness of our wretchedness in the past. Thanks be to Christ, whose blood covers all of it. Thanks Ray. Good post. Sometimes, particularly as you get older and spiritually wiser, it becomes harder to accept the forgiveness of our wretchedness in the past. Thanks be to Christ, whose blood covers all of it.

]]> Comment on My church or the Kingdom? by Chris Larsen http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/07/my-church-or-kingdom/#comment-7900 Chris Larsen Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:12:16 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2009/09/24/my-church-or-the-kingdom/#comment-7900 I completely agree. Sorta. At first the statement caught me off guard. I mean, who wouldn't want the to build up the Kingdom of God. I have the greatest respect for Mr. Ortlund. Believe me, I am a HUGE fan. I do think "unbiblical" might be a little bit of a reach. And the marriage analogy unfortunately breaks down a little, primarily to the extent that marriage is the specific illustration that Jesus used to indicate His relationship to His bride, the church universal. The local church is not "my" church, but rather Jesus'. I and every other person in the church worldwide are only one half of the marriage analogy - the Bride. I understand the idea he is communicating and that is where I agree with him...as long as we are all interpreting the initial statement the same. It seems as if there are two (maybe more) ways to interpret this statement, the first being the presumed intended way. The second being possibly a more positive spin on the statement? 1. My passion isn't to care for and nurture the local body of believers. I am so disillusioned with the local church that I will focus more on the less tangible "Kingdom of God" where I have no accountability and where I can take potshots at local churches from the comfort of my Twitter account and blog. I will give up on the local church and spend my time and talents investing in parachurch ministries that are geared more to what excites me. 2. My passion isn't to make a name for myself or the church I lead/attend. My focus isn't to feed my ego or get into a "We've got Spirit, yes we do, we've got Spirit, probably not you" competition with the local church down the street. I am not trying to "steal sheep" because they aren't my sheep. Heck, I'M a sheep. I am relinquishing claim over this local body, because I am a steward and servant of this community, not The Owner. I am less interested in my vision for what church "should" be and more interested in what Jesus said His church must be. I don't want to simply "do" church. I want to "be" the Church. I want to see the Kingdom come on earth as it is in Heaven and I am willing to do whatever it takes to see that happen. Just thoughts. Chris I completely agree. Sorta.

At first the statement caught me off guard. I mean, who wouldn’t want the to build up the Kingdom of God. I have the greatest respect for Mr. Ortlund. Believe me, I am a HUGE fan. I do think “unbiblical” might be a little bit of a reach. And the marriage analogy unfortunately breaks down a little, primarily to the extent that marriage is the specific illustration that Jesus used to indicate His relationship to His bride, the church universal. The local church is not “my” church, but rather Jesus’. I and every other person in the church worldwide are only one half of the marriage analogy – the Bride. I understand the idea he is communicating and that is where I agree with him…as long as we are all interpreting the initial statement the same.

It seems as if there are two (maybe more) ways to interpret this statement, the first being the presumed intended way. The second being possibly a more positive spin on the statement?

1. My passion isn’t to care for and nurture the local body of believers. I am so disillusioned with the local church that I will focus more on the less tangible “Kingdom of God” where I have no accountability and where I can take potshots at local churches from the comfort of my Twitter account and blog. I will give up on the local church and spend my time and talents investing in parachurch ministries that are geared more to what excites me.

2. My passion isn’t to make a name for myself or the church I lead/attend. My focus isn’t to feed my ego or get into a “We’ve got Spirit, yes we do, we’ve got Spirit, probably not you” competition with the local church down the street. I am not trying to “steal sheep” because they aren’t my sheep. Heck, I’M a sheep. I am relinquishing claim over this local body, because I am a steward and servant of this community, not The Owner. I am less interested in my vision for what church “should” be and more interested in what Jesus said His church must be. I don’t want to simply “do” church. I want to “be” the Church. I want to see the Kingdom come on earth as it is in Heaven and I am willing to do whatever it takes to see that happen.

Just thoughts.

Chris

]]> Comment on Preview of coming attractions by Doug http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/05/preview-of-coming-attractions/#comment-7887 Doug Sun, 05 Feb 2012 22:25:53 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/?p=7514#comment-7887 Beautiful. Thank you. Beautiful. Thank you.

]]> Comment on Preview of coming attractions by Taylor Brooks http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/05/preview-of-coming-attractions/#comment-7886 Taylor Brooks Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:25:22 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/?p=7514#comment-7886 Amazing analogy. Here's to the future of sailing the seas with no "gotchas" and to seeing the Captain's face! Amazing analogy.

Here’s to the future of sailing the seas with no “gotchas” and to seeing the Captain’s face!

]]> Comment on Preview of coming attractions by Gaye Clark http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/05/preview-of-coming-attractions/#comment-7885 Gaye Clark Sun, 05 Feb 2012 17:50:58 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/?p=7514#comment-7885 There will be a day when we shall see, that everything sad is coming untrue. There will be a day when we shall see, that everything sad is coming untrue.

]]> Comment on Preview of coming attractions by Erin http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/05/preview-of-coming-attractions/#comment-7884 Erin Sun, 05 Feb 2012 16:16:25 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/?p=7514#comment-7884 Wow! Wow!

]]> Comment on Now he could relax by Now he could relax | Time For Discernment http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/04/now-he-could-relax/#comment-7880 Now he could relax | Time For Discernment Sun, 05 Feb 2012 03:59:54 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2008/10/09/now-he-could-relax/#comment-7880 [...] http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/04/now-he-could-relax/ Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post. This entry was posted in KFD. Bookmark the permalink. ← Pro-choice is about anything but choice [...] [...] http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/04/now-he-could-relax/ Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post. This entry was posted in KFD. Bookmark the permalink. ← Pro-choice is about anything but choice [...]

]]> Comment on Now he could relax by The Ride » BB Guns and the Gospel http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2012/02/04/now-he-could-relax/#comment-7879 The Ride » BB Guns and the Gospel Sun, 05 Feb 2012 01:33:06 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/rayortlund/2008/10/09/now-he-could-relax/#comment-7879 [...] HT: Ray Ortlund [...] [...] HT: Ray Ortlund [...]

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