Comments on: Help! I'm Looking for Jesus in the OT http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/ Thu, 20 Jun 2013 04:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Book Review: Jon Lunde’s Following Jesus the Servant King « The Unsettled Seminarian http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/#comment-56176 Book Review: Jon Lunde’s Following Jesus the Servant King « The Unsettled Seminarian Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:09:16 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=5358#comment-56176 [...] Help I’m Looking for Jesus in the OT [...] [...] Help I’m Looking for Jesus in the OT [...]

]]> By: Steve Lynch http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/#comment-7374 Steve Lynch Sun, 05 Dec 2010 14:50:00 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=5358#comment-7374 Nathan, Sorry I didn't read all of the postings before I replied to an earlier post of yours. I've been lucky enough to find some real TEACHERS who DID take me on the Emmaus Road... at least that's the only way I've been able to describe it. Messianic Rabbi Yacov Rambsel... and Bible teaching Phenom... Chuck Missler. In fact... I can't go back to studying the bible any other way now. I've also got a lot of friends who've become "Misslerites"... and almost all of them have become that way from listening to his Ruth commentary. Available online here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/comm_topic.cfm?AuthorID=21&commInfo=53&GroupID=7 Hope you get a chance to check it out. It started me on the road to loving studying the book... Steve Nathan,

Sorry I didn't read all of the postings before I replied to an earlier post of yours.

I've been lucky enough to find some real TEACHERS who DID take me on the Emmaus Road... at least that's the only way I've been able to describe it.

Messianic Rabbi Yacov Rambsel... and Bible teaching Phenom... Chuck Missler.

In fact... I can't go back to studying the bible any other way now. I've also got a lot of friends who've become "Misslerites"... and almost all of them have become that way from listening to his Ruth commentary.

Available online here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/comm_topic.cfm?AuthorID=21&commInfo=53&GroupID=7

Hope you get a chance to check it out. It started me on the road to loving studying the book...

Steve

]]> By: Steve Lynch http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/#comment-7373 Steve Lynch Sun, 05 Dec 2010 14:07:10 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=5358#comment-7373 Jesus in not hiding under every rock... He IS the ROCK. Deut 32:4 [He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he. There's a prophetic model to the Rock that Moses struck at Horeb... and the second rock that he struck later disobedient to God's commands... It was a serious enough infraction that God punished Moses by not allowing him into the Promised Land. If he had done what God had commanded... It would have been a model of Christ's First and Second Coming. The First time he was struck (bruised for our iniquities)... the second time will be when the nation of Israel will call out for their Messiah to come for them... I'm sorry that you feel leary about finding Christ in the different types and models of the Old Testament Nathan... but the fact is... that is exactly what Jesus taught the two disciples on the Emmaus Road... and their hearts burned within them as he opened up the scriptures. There are several examples of this kind of teaching in the book of Acts... and always it resulted in people getting saved. Hosea 12:10 affirms the teaching of Models and types to us throughout the scripture: "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets." I've got a really good lesson on Ruth that explains this better if you are interested. stevenlynch@hotmail.com Jesus in not hiding under every rock... He IS the ROCK.

Deut 32:4 [He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he.

There's a prophetic model to the Rock that Moses struck at Horeb... and the second rock that he struck later disobedient to God's commands... It was a serious enough infraction that God punished Moses by not allowing him into the Promised Land.

If he had done what God had commanded... It would have been a model of Christ's First and Second Coming. The First time he was struck (bruised for our iniquities)... the second time will be when the nation of Israel will call out for their Messiah to come for them...

I'm sorry that you feel leary about finding Christ in the different types and models of the Old Testament Nathan... but the fact is... that is exactly what Jesus taught the two disciples on the Emmaus Road... and their hearts burned within them as he opened up the scriptures. There are several examples of this kind of teaching in the book of Acts... and always it resulted in people getting saved.

Hosea 12:10 affirms the teaching of Models and types to us throughout the scripture: "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets."

I've got a really good lesson on Ruth that explains this better if you are interested.

stevenlynch@hotmail.com

]]> By: Brian http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/#comment-7362 Brian Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:27:41 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=5358#comment-7362 I think Dennis Johnson's book on preaching "Him We Proclaim" would be a helpful resource too for developing redemptive historical sermons. I think Dennis Johnson's book on preaching "Him We Proclaim" would be a helpful resource too for developing redemptive historical sermons.

]]> By: lwetter http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/#comment-7349 lwetter Sat, 04 Dec 2010 03:53:00 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=5358#comment-7349 I am always searching, but as in anything spiritual the minute you think you know it all is when you get a swipe in the butt from the Unknown. As with the four Gospels one has to understand that they were hard working men of the community. The thing is only their understanding was somewhat fundamental. I do not believe that they wrote from fact and many scholars have found that their gospels are so different from each other to find congruity is not likely. Some say that it's possible that the four popular apostles,(Matthew Mark, Luke, and John), did not write their gospels but told it by word of mouth and others wrote it about 40 years after Jesus died. The Catholic Church decided on the 4,(Matthew, Mark, Luke and John),as the safest, fundamental, and best in story line. Note there were many stops on Pauls journey and many secular churches sprung up. From my own research there were actually 30 gospels and only 4 made it. Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Mary, are some of the ones some scholars say never made it out of fear. All gospels are story's as are the Psalms of the Old Testament. However the clues are vague almost harder then a NY Times cross word puzzle would be to a five year old. The psalms depict a spiritual progression of Judaism. Now here is a succession that might be helpful. Abram returns from his victory over and Chedorlaomer when the King of Sodom greets him Gn14:18 Melchizedek, king of Salem, brought out bread and wine, and being a priest of God Most High, he blessed Abram with these words: "Blessed be Abram by God Most High," the creator of heaven and earth,. Melchizedek pops up again in the psalm of David. God appoints the King both King and Priest. Ps110:4 The Lord has sworn and will not waver: "Like Melchizedek you will be a priest forever." The next progression to Jesus is in Hebrews although no one really knows who wrote it,more than likely Paul's circle. Hebrews 5:6 just as he says in another place:"You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek." That's about as far as I can go as I am not as learned as most. I do not believe these particular men were learned enough to take the clues from the Old Testament so as to fully understand and relate to what their Rabbi was saying unless they were well versed or had as much experience on the road as Sol Paulos and his circle. I am always searching, but as in anything spiritual the minute you think you know it all is when you get a swipe in the butt from the Unknown. As with the four Gospels one has to understand that they were hard working men of the community. The thing is only their understanding was somewhat fundamental. I do not believe that they wrote from fact and many scholars have found that their gospels are so different from each other to find congruity is not likely.

Some say that it's possible that the four popular apostles,(Matthew Mark, Luke, and John), did not write their gospels but told it by word of mouth and others wrote it about 40 years after Jesus died. The Catholic Church decided on the 4,(Matthew, Mark, Luke and John),as the safest, fundamental, and best in story line. Note there were many stops on Pauls journey and many secular churches sprung up. From my own research there were actually 30 gospels and only 4 made it. Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Mary, are some of the ones some scholars say never made it out of fear.
All gospels are story's as are the Psalms of the Old Testament. However the clues are vague almost harder then a NY Times cross word puzzle would be to a five year old. The psalms depict a spiritual progression of Judaism. Now here is a succession that might be helpful. Abram returns from his victory over and Chedorlaomer when the King of Sodom greets him Gn14:18 Melchizedek, king of Salem, brought out bread and wine, and being a priest of God Most High, he blessed Abram with these words: "Blessed be Abram by God Most High," the creator of heaven and earth,. Melchizedek pops up again in the psalm of David. God appoints the King both King and Priest. Ps110:4 The Lord has sworn and will not waver: "Like Melchizedek you will be a priest forever." The next progression to Jesus is in Hebrews although no one really knows who wrote it,more than likely Paul's circle. Hebrews 5:6 just as he says in another place:"You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek."
That's about as far as I can go as I am not as learned as most.
I do not believe these particular men were learned enough to take the clues from the Old Testament so as to fully understand and relate to what their Rabbi was saying unless they were well versed or had as much experience on the road as Sol Paulos and his circle.

]]> By: Nancy Guthrie http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/#comment-7345 Nancy Guthrie Fri, 03 Dec 2010 23:53:16 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=5358#comment-7345 Dr. Duguid: You writing and preaching has been very helpful to me in this area. Any chance audio of your teaching series on Isaiah will be available online? Dr. Duguid:

You writing and preaching has been very helpful to me in this area. Any chance audio of your teaching series on Isaiah will be available online?

]]> By: Nathan Bierma http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/#comment-7336 Nathan Bierma Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:52:02 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=5358#comment-7336 not to take anything away from all these great suggestions (on the contrary: to encourage them!), but occasionally I'm reminded that the greatest and best course on this topic is described in Luke 24:27: "Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them the things about himself in all the scriptures." Alas, enrollment was limited and the course was not repeated in future semesters--at least not with that professor. not to take anything away from all these great suggestions (on the contrary: to encourage them!), but occasionally I'm reminded that the greatest and best course on this topic is described in Luke 24:27:
"Then beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he interpreted to them the things about himself in all the scriptures." Alas, enrollment was limited and the course was not repeated in future semesters--at least not with that professor.

]]> By: iain duguid http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/#comment-7335 iain duguid Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:46:06 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=5358#comment-7335 At the risk of promoting products that I am involved in producing, I'd recommend two series published by P&R: "The Gospel According to the Old Testament" and the Reformed Expository Commentary. Alongside these, I'd add everything written by Dale Ralph Davis and two great resources from Sidney Greidanus "Preaching Christ from Genesis" and "Preaching Christ from Ecclesiastes". These show his methodology described in his earlier book "Preaching Christ from the Old Testament" applied to particular texts. I would also agree, however, that there is a dearth of materials and resources available. If anyone is in Southern California in January, I will be teaching a one week class at Westminster in California on Preaching Christ from the Book of Isaiah". Here endeth the first commercial... At the risk of promoting products that I am involved in producing, I'd recommend two series published by P&R: "The Gospel According to the Old Testament" and the Reformed Expository Commentary. Alongside these, I'd add everything written by Dale Ralph Davis and two great resources from Sidney Greidanus "Preaching Christ from Genesis" and "Preaching Christ from Ecclesiastes". These show his methodology described in his earlier book "Preaching Christ from the Old Testament" applied to particular texts. I would also agree, however, that there is a dearth of materials and resources available. If anyone is in Southern California in January, I will be teaching a one week class at Westminster in California on Preaching Christ from the Book of Isaiah". Here endeth the first commercial...

]]> By: Israel http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2010/12/01/help-im-looking-for-jesus-in-the-ot/#comment-7333 Israel Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:04:32 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=5358#comment-7333 I wrote an entire article here about this concept that everything we understand of Messiah must come from the Torah. Joshua-Revelation simply being inspired commentary on what is found there. If anyone is looking for where to begin using Gen-Deut and the rest of the scriptures as a means to preach the gospel, by all means, start here: Messianic Apologetics 101 http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/messanic-apologetics-101/ I wrote an entire article here about this concept that everything we understand of Messiah must come from the Torah. Joshua-Revelation simply being inspired commentary on what is found there. If anyone is looking for where to begin using Gen-Deut and the rest of the scriptures as a means to preach the gospel, by all means, start here:

Messianic Apologetics 101
http://jerusalemcouncil.org/articles/apologetics/messanic-apologetics-101/

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