Comments on: Blue Like Jazz: The Movie http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/ Sun, 19 May 2013 18:48:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mystery Through Manners | Cinema & New Media Arts http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-61191 Mystery Through Manners | Cinema & New Media Arts Tue, 29 Jan 2013 04:05:11 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-61191 [...] at The Gospel Coalition, Mike Cosper has written an interesting primer on the film. He explains the background and tries to identify some of what attracts burnt-out [...] [...] at The Gospel Coalition, Mike Cosper has written an interesting primer on the film. He explains the background and tries to identify some of what attracts burnt-out [...]

]]> By: chris wickens http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-60295 chris wickens Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:06:55 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-60295 I have been a fan of Steve Taylor since the 80's but am very disappointed with his "new" venture into films like Blue Like Jazz. We just need to hold Jesus up to the world, not try to make Him vague and hidden, in an ashamed attempt to just bring Him partly into view only to take Him away quickly before people get a chance to know Him. I believe this is just a cop out, a cashing in the chips too quickly. I have no desire to see this film. With the world rife with babylonian principles, we need a hero who will really take a stab at christian film making. There are alot of great christian fiction out there--better than this or the Shack. I have been a fan of Steve Taylor since the 80's but am very disappointed with his "new" venture into films like Blue Like Jazz. We just need to hold Jesus up to the world, not try to make Him vague and hidden, in an ashamed attempt to just bring Him partly into view only to take Him away quickly before people get a chance to know Him. I believe this is just a cop out, a cashing in the chips too quickly. I have no desire to see this film. With the world rife with babylonian principles, we need a hero who will really take a stab at christian film making. There are alot of great christian fiction out there--better than this or the Shack.

]]> By: Paul http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-36307 Paul Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:37:13 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-36307 I agree with everything Frank Turk has said. I would also point out that "The Shack" is also descriptive rather than prescriptive, but that doesn't mean that stories are neutral. Stories are not neutral, they teach ideas, and many of the ideas that Donald Miller espouses are simply poisonous. I agree with everything Frank Turk has said. I would also point out that "The Shack" is also descriptive rather than prescriptive, but that doesn't mean that stories are neutral. Stories are not neutral, they teach ideas, and many of the ideas that Donald Miller espouses are simply poisonous.

]]> By: Blue Like Jazz Movie Review « Pastor Mike's Musings http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-36050 Blue Like Jazz Movie Review « Pastor Mike's Musings Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:20:10 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-36050 [...] a good review of the movie see this article by Mike Cosper. Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this. Leave a [...] [...] a good review of the movie see this article by Mike Cosper. Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this. Leave a [...]

]]> By: billy mcmahon http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-32768 billy mcmahon Sat, 16 Jun 2012 05:55:34 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-32768 1. I haven't really seen Miller presented as an "authority." He's always seemed like a great story teller with a heart to provide a witness to his experiences. Also, I think it is difficult to establish the exact parameters between "authority" and "witness." 2. I don't think Miller has to be "explicit" (in the way you suggest) about the Gospel in order to present the message of Jesus to viewers. I wouldn't say this is a compromise as the Gospel can be relatable in a variety of ways. 3. Yes, this is picky of me, but I wouldn't pick on Rob Bell so quickly. I'd say "Love Wins" was more akin to "The Great Divorce" by CS Lewis than the godless devil of universalism that is destroying America. I challenge you to show me an instance of Bell softening or watering-down doctrine. Personally, I think he's done an outstanding job at challenging our oftentimes idolatrous and perverted views of orthodoxy. 1. I haven't really seen Miller presented as an "authority." He's always seemed like a great story teller with a heart to provide a witness to his experiences. Also, I think it is difficult to establish the exact parameters between "authority" and "witness."

2. I don't think Miller has to be "explicit" (in the way you suggest) about the Gospel in order to present the message of Jesus to viewers. I wouldn't say this is a compromise as the Gospel can be relatable in a variety of ways.

3. Yes, this is picky of me, but I wouldn't pick on Rob Bell so quickly. I'd say "Love Wins" was more akin to "The Great Divorce" by CS Lewis than the godless devil of universalism that is destroying America. I challenge you to show me an instance of Bell softening or watering-down doctrine. Personally, I think he's done an outstanding job at challenging our oftentimes idolatrous and perverted views of orthodoxy.

]]> By: Heather E. Carrillo http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-31660 Heather E. Carrillo Tue, 29 May 2012 15:45:17 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-31660 It doesn't just SOUND harsh...it IS harsh. And do you even KNOW the author's educational background? Also, you just made a sweeping statement about the evangelical subculture's intellect in general. I agree with Jamie above...I'd watch the insults. It doesn't just SOUND harsh...it IS harsh. And do you even KNOW the author's educational background? Also, you just made a sweeping statement about the evangelical subculture's intellect in general. I agree with Jamie above...I'd watch the insults.

]]> By: Jamie Barnes http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-31525 Jamie Barnes Sat, 26 May 2012 13:09:34 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-31525 Mike is writing in a comprehensible way for everyone. He's a pastor in a local church, which means he shepherds doctors, lawyers, bricklayers, teachers, stay-at-home moms, etc. Theology is for everyone..not just people who decide to get their MDiv. I love Begbie...but his writing on the arts is not as accessible. Cosper is a sharp mind, trust me - i know him well, but he's trying to write to a wider audience here. Please show some more respect and guard your words more carefully - they are a tad insulting. If you look at how many times this (and his other) article has been shared, recommended and commented on - you'll quickly realize that this has been helpful and appreciated by a lot of Christians who perhaps have difficulty engaging the arts. That's the goal. TGC doesn't just serve an elite few, which is to be commended. As an arts pastor - I find your view on them funny...and a tad irritating. Despite what you may think, arts pastors in the local church study a whole lot, work their tails off and have a few things to offer by God's grace. It's called the school of hard knocks. I also teach at a seminary and i can tell you there are some great things taught at places of higher education, but nothing helps you grow faster than being present in the mess of actual church ministry. There are some things seminaries and such simply can't prepare you for. You remember the apostles, right? I'm not sure what you do or perhaps where you serve personally - but i think you're riding a pretty high horse. Mike is writing in a comprehensible way for everyone. He's a pastor in a local church, which means he shepherds doctors, lawyers, bricklayers, teachers, stay-at-home moms, etc. Theology is for everyone..not just people who decide to get their MDiv. I love Begbie...but his writing on the arts is not as accessible. Cosper is a sharp mind, trust me - i know him well, but he's trying to write to a wider audience here. Please show some more respect and guard your words more carefully - they are a tad insulting. If you look at how many times this (and his other) article has been shared, recommended and commented on - you'll quickly realize that this has been helpful and appreciated by a lot of Christians who perhaps have difficulty engaging the arts. That's the goal. TGC doesn't just serve an elite few, which is to be commended. As an arts pastor - I find your view on them funny...and a tad irritating. Despite what you may think, arts pastors in the local church study a whole lot, work their tails off and have a few things to offer by God's grace. It's called the school of hard knocks. I also teach at a seminary and i can tell you there are some great things taught at places of higher education, but nothing helps you grow faster than being present in the mess of actual church ministry. There are some things seminaries and such simply can't prepare you for. You remember the apostles, right? I'm not sure what you do or perhaps where you serve personally - but i think you're riding a pretty high horse.

]]> By: Jason Merz http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-31504 Jason Merz Sat, 26 May 2012 01:04:25 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-31504 I know that sounds harsh. I have no idea who gets picked to write certain things. My hunch is it's a network thing rather than the sharpest mind. All I was saying was the Coalition Blog has some very skilled writers writing about various topics, I simply wish they would do the same for the Arts. Why doesn't the Coalition have guys like Jeremy Begbie, Wil Dyrness, David Taylor, etc writing on the Arts? Instead, they have Arts Pastors, that lack the education and skill most often refined and achieved through not only pastoral ministry, but rigorous academia. That's all. I certainly don't think all "evangelicals" are uneducated. My frustration is with regards to such an important subject as the Arts, Evangelicals should be able to do better. I know that sounds harsh. I have no idea who gets picked to write certain things. My hunch is it's a network thing rather than the sharpest mind. All I was saying was the Coalition Blog has some very skilled writers writing about various topics, I simply wish they would do the same for the Arts. Why doesn't the Coalition have guys like Jeremy Begbie, Wil Dyrness, David Taylor, etc writing on the Arts? Instead, they have Arts Pastors, that lack the education and skill most often refined and achieved through not only pastoral ministry, but rigorous academia. That's all. I certainly don't think all "evangelicals" are uneducated. My frustration is with regards to such an important subject as the Arts, Evangelicals should be able to do better.

]]> By: Heather E. Carrillo http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-31448 Heather E. Carrillo Fri, 25 May 2012 15:59:47 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-31448 Wowa! How is that NOT offensive? You think evangelicals are mainly uneducated? Excuse me? Wowa! How is that NOT offensive? You think evangelicals are mainly uneducated? Excuse me?

]]> By: Jamie Barnes http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/03/12/blue-like-jazz-the-movie/#comment-31418 Jamie Barnes Fri, 25 May 2012 12:48:11 +0000 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/?p=17282#comment-31418 Jason, C'mon dude. You can't just say "i mean no offense" and then say some of the most inflammatory stuff ever. "Not educated"? TGC tapped Cosper to write about culture and arts for a reason - He's great at it. If you disagree with him or a point of his - fine - form an intelligent response, if it's deep content you say you desire. But this comment is absurd, unfounded and really insensitive. Are you considering that the writers of these articles might read the comment section? Do you feel like a jerk now? Don't type nonsense like this - add something to the discussion or take your ball and go home. Good grief, I loathe these comment sections sometimes - thanks for reminding me. Signed, Jamie, a guy who is mentored by an "uneducated, product of the evangelical subcultural" pastor. Jason,

C'mon dude. You can't just say "i mean no offense" and then say some of the most inflammatory stuff ever. "Not educated"? TGC tapped Cosper to write about culture and arts for a reason - He's great at it. If you disagree with him or a point of his - fine - form an intelligent response, if it's deep content you say you desire. But this comment is absurd, unfounded and really insensitive. Are you considering that the writers of these articles might read the comment section? Do you feel like a jerk now? Don't type nonsense like this - add something to the discussion or take your ball and go home. Good grief, I loathe these comment sections sometimes - thanks for reminding me. Signed, Jamie, a guy who is mentored by an "uneducated, product of the evangelical subcultural" pastor.

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