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		<title>By: 7 Links Worth Seeing &#124; WisdomForLife</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-33656</link>
		<dc:creator>7 Links Worth Seeing &#124; WisdomForLife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Powell</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-32811</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if that alien did not follow the God of Abraham then what was his plight?  Immigration is not our chief concern.  Our stupidity concerning our Creator and our lack of biblical knowledge is of far greater concern as to the current problems facing our nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if that alien did not follow the God of Abraham then what was his plight?  Immigration is not our chief concern.  Our stupidity concerning our Creator and our lack of biblical knowledge is of far greater concern as to the current problems facing our nation.</p>
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		<title>By: 7 Links worth seeing &#124; WisdomForLife</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-32772</link>
		<dc:creator>7 Links worth seeing &#124; WisdomForLife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alberto Guerra</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-32752</link>
		<dc:creator>Alberto Guerra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evangelicalism suffers from an inherent flaw, the need to mix together: rationality, people&#039;s interest, social-economic concerns (political power and position, and capitalistic gains) together with God&#039;s Word. A &quot;nation of law&quot; cannot be exalted to the level of law = God. The argumente of &quot;fairness&quot; does not enter in God&#039;s commandments about how to treat the immigrant, but God&#039;s will, commands, for us to obey regarding such people group.

Magistrates (government officials and law enforcements) are &quot;mininsters of God&quot; as pastors are (Ro. 13). However, a state law should not be held at the level of God, for it would equally argue for abortion (legal and lawful) being God&#039;s will (We will not mentioned Natzi Germany&#039;s laws nor North Africa&#039;s apartei nor the plight of an African American man in North America&#039;s 60&#039;s). 

Evangelical conservatives are still swiming in the same white water principles that supported the conditions in Natzi Germany&#039;s rationale against Jews, the 60&#039;s civil unrest, slavery&#039;s position on the part of many Christians in the South and Pharoah&#039;s Egypt&#039; in their behavior against an immigrant, illegal race in their midst (read Ex. 1). 

To stand firm on the clear compassionate, humane and biblical behavior required of us toward immigrants is not man&#039;s first choice, nor a government&#039;s best solution. Nor is it financially profitable for the economy, nor fair (asking people&#039;s opinions) nor a win-win social-economic practice. It is and was God&#039;s reveal willed as to how He wants to care for this segment of people group by His people, period. No one in Israel voted for having a tenth of their three-year taxes (tithe) to be given to the strangers. Nor was an agricultural field owner asked his business consideration of profitability in having to leave the gleannings for the stranger and not used these for further efficient profit for their business.

When God was president (or King) God laid down repeatedly principles for His people in dealing with the immigrants (strangers, alien, or the &#039;goer&#039;). Immigrants have always been a people group. God has known them, and God shows His Fatherly as well as His Sovereign care of his creation and creatures, identifying these people-groups, the immigrants (migrants: now sized as documented or undocumented) and speaking as to how He wants our behavior to be towards them. One verse of many: &quot;But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...I am the LORD your God&quot; (Lev. 19:34). Two points: they need to be treated as &quot;one born among you&quot; (the native) and &quot;as thyself.&quot;

The one fundamental principle for resolving the Immigration debate is, and no Christian conservative has mentioned it and it embodies all the Old Testament laws depicting our behavior towards the strangers. And this principle was given by Jesus Himself, summarizing His Bible: &quot;Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets&quot; (Mat. 7:12). Jesus concludes this &quot;golden-rule&quot; principle with the same words he does in the Two Greatest Commandments, love God and love your neighbor, &quot;for on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets&quot; (Mat. 22:40). Such summaries of Scripture would go a long way to distill the right course of action. 

However, some rather mix the Bible with &quot;other&quot; rationalistic, economic, social, tax-concerns, &quot;fair&quot; considerations - betraying our creed &quot;the Bible alone is the only rule for life and faith&quot; adorning many fine otherwise summaries of orthodox faith tenets. While any nation has the freedom (incorrectly) to disobey God&#039;s laws, the body of Christ must not think with half brain for God and the other for man&#039;s considerations. Love the stranger as thyself...as one born among you is God&#039;s only consideration inspite of economic, politics, ethical or moral condition of the immigrant as litumus test. Until the Church stands for the Gospel that made us to no longer be aliens of the covenant blessings (Eph. 2) but full citizens of God&#039;s kingdom, we, like at other times in history, will be faltering between two opinions, or combining many considerations all coming short of treating the alien as &quot;one born among you.&quot;Evangelical Leaders Call for Immigration Reform</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evangelicalism suffers from an inherent flaw, the need to mix together: rationality, people's interest, social-economic concerns (political power and position, and capitalistic gains) together with God's Word. A "nation of law" cannot be exalted to the level of law = God. The argumente of "fairness" does not enter in God's commandments about how to treat the immigrant, but God's will, commands, for us to obey regarding such people group.</p>
<p>Magistrates (government officials and law enforcements) are "mininsters of God" as pastors are (Ro. 13). However, a state law should not be held at the level of God, for it would equally argue for abortion (legal and lawful) being God's will (We will not mentioned Natzi Germany's laws nor North Africa's apartei nor the plight of an African American man in North America's 60's). </p>
<p>Evangelical conservatives are still swiming in the same white water principles that supported the conditions in Natzi Germany's rationale against Jews, the 60's civil unrest, slavery's position on the part of many Christians in the South and Pharoah's Egypt' in their behavior against an immigrant, illegal race in their midst (read Ex. 1). </p>
<p>To stand firm on the clear compassionate, humane and biblical behavior required of us toward immigrants is not man's first choice, nor a government's best solution. Nor is it financially profitable for the economy, nor fair (asking people's opinions) nor a win-win social-economic practice. It is and was God's reveal willed as to how He wants to care for this segment of people group by His people, period. No one in Israel voted for having a tenth of their three-year taxes (tithe) to be given to the strangers. Nor was an agricultural field owner asked his business consideration of profitability in having to leave the gleannings for the stranger and not used these for further efficient profit for their business.</p>
<p>When God was president (or King) God laid down repeatedly principles for His people in dealing with the immigrants (strangers, alien, or the 'goer'). Immigrants have always been a people group. God has known them, and God shows His Fatherly as well as His Sovereign care of his creation and creatures, identifying these people-groups, the immigrants (migrants: now sized as documented or undocumented) and speaking as to how He wants our behavior to be towards them. One verse of many: "But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself...I am the LORD your God" (Lev. 19:34). Two points: they need to be treated as "one born among you" (the native) and "as thyself."</p>
<p>The one fundamental principle for resolving the Immigration debate is, and no Christian conservative has mentioned it and it embodies all the Old Testament laws depicting our behavior towards the strangers. And this principle was given by Jesus Himself, summarizing His Bible: "Whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" (Mat. 7:12). Jesus concludes this "golden-rule" principle with the same words he does in the Two Greatest Commandments, love God and love your neighbor, "for on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets" (Mat. 22:40). Such summaries of Scripture would go a long way to distill the right course of action. </p>
<p>However, some rather mix the Bible with "other" rationalistic, economic, social, tax-concerns, "fair" considerations - betraying our creed "the Bible alone is the only rule for life and faith" adorning many fine otherwise summaries of orthodox faith tenets. While any nation has the freedom (incorrectly) to disobey God's laws, the body of Christ must not think with half brain for God and the other for man's considerations. Love the stranger as thyself...as one born among you is God's only consideration inspite of economic, politics, ethical or moral condition of the immigrant as litumus test. Until the Church stands for the Gospel that made us to no longer be aliens of the covenant blessings (Eph. 2) but full citizens of God's kingdom, we, like at other times in history, will be faltering between two opinions, or combining many considerations all coming short of treating the alien as "one born among you."Evangelical Leaders Call for Immigration Reform</p>
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		<title>By: Alberto Guerra</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-32751</link>
		<dc:creator>Alberto Guerra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 23:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is like the unfaithful husband saying to his wife, I cannot leave the other woman until you loose weight. Lev. 19:34 is straight cut... the immigrant within, no buts, no conditions, no checking their background, no fixing some other problem. Love him as yourself, have them done what you would have like to have done to you (Mat. 7:12 - summarizing the law and the prophets).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is like the unfaithful husband saying to his wife, I cannot leave the other woman until you loose weight. Lev. 19:34 is straight cut... the immigrant within, no buts, no conditions, no checking their background, no fixing some other problem. Love him as yourself, have them done what you would have like to have done to you (Mat. 7:12 - summarizing the law and the prophets).</p>
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		<title>By: Alberto Guerra</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-32748</link>
		<dc:creator>Alberto Guerra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. I believe you just made my point, exactly. The question &quot;how best...&quot; is the exact example of reading what the Bible says and then mixing God&#039;s Word with another rationalistic (best, wiser consideration). An example would be best. Lev. 19:34, strangers in dwelling among you should be as a native born, and loved as yourself. The text says: &quot;dwelling among you.&quot; Whatever we do for those coming, outside, etc. There&#039;s a compassionate, humane and biblical detemined behavior towards those here already. How best cannot include considerations that confuse the required course of action prescribed, or principlelized. 

I wonder how Israel felt when they were to take the third year tithe and give to the stranger. Or what would the business owner support be when he could not go back to his field and ensure nothing was wasted, exept that God&#039; will had prohibited gleanings to leave these for the stranger - How best to do this, and not do it...that&#039;s my point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I believe you just made my point, exactly. The question "how best..." is the exact example of reading what the Bible says and then mixing God's Word with another rationalistic (best, wiser consideration). An example would be best. Lev. 19:34, strangers in dwelling among you should be as a native born, and loved as yourself. The text says: "dwelling among you." Whatever we do for those coming, outside, etc. There's a compassionate, humane and biblical detemined behavior towards those here already. How best cannot include considerations that confuse the required course of action prescribed, or principlelized. </p>
<p>I wonder how Israel felt when they were to take the third year tithe and give to the stranger. Or what would the business owner support be when he could not go back to his field and ensure nothing was wasted, exept that God' will had prohibited gleanings to leave these for the stranger - How best to do this, and not do it...that's my point!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Powell</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-32744</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Illegal immigration can never be dealt with in this nation with any seriousness until we first address the abuse of welfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illegal immigration can never be dealt with in this nation with any seriousness until we first address the abuse of welfare.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-32740</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For reference, the Gospel Coalition blog had two articles on immigration last month that are quite informative and relevant:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/05/01/the-gospel-and-immigration/
http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/05/08/immigration-policy-and-ministry/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For reference, the Gospel Coalition blog had two articles on immigration last month that are quite informative and relevant:</p>
<p><a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/05/01/the-gospel-and-immigration/" rel="nofollow">http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/05/01/the-gospel-and-immigration/</a><br />
<a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/05/08/immigration-policy-and-ministry/" rel="nofollow">http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/05/08/immigration-policy-and-ministry/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robb</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-32732</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>June 15, 2012 —WASHINGTON  &quot;Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children will be able to obtain work permits and be safe from deportation under a new policy announced on Friday by the Obama administration.

The policy, effective immediately, will apply to people who are currently under 30 years old, who arrived in the country before they turned 16 and have lived in the United States for five years. They must also have no criminal record, and have earned a high school diploma, remained in school or served in the military.&quot;

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/us/us-to-stop-deporting-some-illegal-immigrants.html?hp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June 15, 2012 —WASHINGTON  "Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children will be able to obtain work permits and be safe from deportation under a new policy announced on Friday by the Obama administration.</p>
<p>The policy, effective immediately, will apply to people who are currently under 30 years old, who arrived in the country before they turned 16 and have lived in the United States for five years. They must also have no criminal record, and have earned a high school diploma, remained in school or served in the military."</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/us/us-to-stop-deporting-some-illegal-immigrants.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/us/us-to-stop-deporting-some-illegal-immigrants.html?hp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Carter</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/06/15/evangelical-leaders-call-for-immigration-reform/#comment-32731</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are missing the point. The question is not &quot;should evangelicals stand for compassionate, humane and biblical behavior toward immigrants&quot;—we all think we should—but how best to do that. The issue is do we put the interest of one group of immigrants ahead of others or do we let everyone who wants to immigrate do so. If the latter, then we must dismantle the social safety net because it would be impossible to support for all the world&#039;s poor who would like to live in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are missing the point. The question is not "should evangelicals stand for compassionate, humane and biblical behavior toward immigrants"—we all think we should—but how best to do that. The issue is do we put the interest of one group of immigrants ahead of others or do we let everyone who wants to immigrate do so. If the latter, then we must dismantle the social safety net because it would be impossible to support for all the world's poor who would like to live in America.</p>
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