Comments on: Spurgeon the Drinker: The Rest of the Story… http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story Kingdom People - Living on Earth as Citizens of Heaven Thu, 17 May 2012 00:58:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Richard Treptow http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-291 Richard Treptow Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:23:55 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-291 I think we might say that because the Pastor sins with food, we should pray for him that he can control his appetite. As for drink, it does not mean we can sin with drink (becoming drunk). Drinking as permitted in the Bible is another matter. I think we might say that because the Pastor sins with food, we should pray for him that he can control his appetite. As for drink, it does not mean we can sin with drink (becoming drunk). Drinking as permitted in the Bible is another matter.

]]> By: Taiwan 97 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-290 Taiwan 97 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:09:58 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-290 "Also, I find it quite hypocritical when an obese minister rings the rafters with his message against drinking, when he is a living example of one being unable to control his appetite. Take a look around the sanctuary on Sunday at how many overweight people are in our churches, yet we dare not speak against that." So how does that justify drinking? Are you saying that because people sin with food, I can sin with drink. Do you drink because this is an old argument that I use to use? “Also, I find it quite hypocritical when an obese minister rings the rafters with his message against drinking, when he is a living example of one being unable to control his appetite. Take a look around the sanctuary on Sunday at how many overweight people are in our churches, yet we dare not speak against that.”

So how does that justify drinking? Are you saying that because people sin with food, I can sin with drink. Do you drink because this is an old argument that I use to use?

]]> By: Taiwan 97 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-289 Taiwan 97 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:04:28 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-289 "I use chewing tobacco on occasion and I find it makes me more approachable as a christian in the army because people feel like I won’t judge them." You never did quote the scripture that we are to be like the world and go down to their level in order to witness. Were you ever worried that they may think of you as a hypocrite? “I use chewing tobacco on occasion and I find it makes me more approachable as a christian in the army because people feel like I won’t judge them.”

You never did quote the scripture that we are to be like the world and go down to their level in order to witness. Were you ever worried that they may think of you as a hypocrite?

]]> By: Taiwan 97 http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-288 Taiwan 97 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 22:54:21 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-288 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed. 2 Cor 6:3 I know that Spurgeon defended his drinking and smoking tooth and nail.....so his changing his mind really surprises me.....Oh that Holy Spirit. Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed. 2 Cor 6:3

I know that Spurgeon defended his drinking and smoking tooth and nail…..so his changing his mind really surprises me…..Oh that Holy Spirit.

]]> By: Tom Lessing http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-287 Tom Lessing Wed, 19 Oct 2011 05:44:13 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-287 Was the wine Jesus made from water at Cana an alcoholic beverage? Was the wine Jesus made from water at Cana an alcoholic beverage?

]]> By: Tom Lessing http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-286 Tom Lessing Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:29:03 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-286 I've heard Reformed Baptists use the excuse: "So what, there's nothing wrong in drinking wine and beer. Jesus was a winebibber. Drinking to Him was like eating (Mat 11:19). I’ve heard Reformed Baptists use the excuse: “So what, there’s nothing wrong in drinking wine and beer. Jesus was a winebibber. Drinking to Him was like eating (Mat 11:19).

]]> By: andy http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-285 andy Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:44:42 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-285 I completely agree with Jordan. We should not force beliefs on others if they believe it to be wrong (this works both ways for the topic in question). An interesting passage to read is Romans 14-Mainly talking about food but the principle behind it is the same. Whatever is not done in faith is sin! I can drink alcohol and believe it is wrong and be sinning and I can be abstaining from alcohol and beleivng that it is wrong not to drink and also be sinning! Its all about faith! It seems quite an american thing to get hung up on this topic, i'm from London and can see the contextual argument with the drunken culture that absorbs my country from friday night! I completely agree with Jordan. We should not force beliefs on others if they believe it to be wrong (this works both ways for the topic in question).

An interesting passage to read is Romans 14-Mainly talking about food but the principle behind it is the same.

Whatever is not done in faith is sin! I can drink alcohol and believe it is wrong and be sinning and I can be abstaining from alcohol and beleivng that it is wrong not to drink and also be sinning!

Its all about faith!

It seems quite an american thing to get hung up on this topic, i’m from London and can see the contextual argument with the drunken culture that absorbs my country from friday night!

]]> By: jordan http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-284 jordan Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:41:02 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-284 I truely appreciate the various perspectives we all give to this matter. At the end of it all, I remind myself that EACH one of us (CHRISTIANS) is accountable before God INDIVIDUALLY. Not even as husband and wife, nor a family of "x". Then I ask myself, What is God's expectation of me. That I'm able to eat peanuts and live, does not make the one allergic to peanuts more of a sinner. We need to be careful of our convictions. When God commanded His prophet( Hosea) to go marry a "harlot" (prostitute), was no command to all prophets to do the same. CHRISTIANS PLS FOLLOW YOUR CONVICTIONS. AND WHEN IN DOUBT, YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD WHO LEADS YOU INTO ALL TRUTH. Spurgeon was a good servant of God, but JESUS CHRIST He is THE PERFECT servant and our ultimate example. Listen to your HEART. I truely appreciate the various perspectives we all give to this matter. At the end of it all, I remind myself that EACH one of us (CHRISTIANS) is accountable before God INDIVIDUALLY. Not even as husband and wife, nor a family of “x”. Then I ask myself, What is God’s expectation of me. That I’m able to eat peanuts and live, does not make the one allergic to peanuts more of a sinner. We need to be careful of our convictions. When God commanded His prophet( Hosea) to go marry a “harlot” (prostitute), was no command to all prophets to do the same. CHRISTIANS PLS FOLLOW YOUR CONVICTIONS. AND WHEN IN DOUBT, YOU HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD WHO LEADS YOU INTO ALL TRUTH. Spurgeon was a good servant of God, but JESUS CHRIST He is THE PERFECT servant and our ultimate example.
Listen to your HEART.

]]> By: Tony http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-283 Tony Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:53:39 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-283 I ain't no pharisee or legalist but one thing i will say is that people tend to use the bible to approve of their alcoholic drinking when the bible says that DRUNKARDS will not inherit the kingdom of God. AHA! but you will say "I'm not a drunkard, i drink moderately". I'll tell you why i think that this is an idiotic statement. First of all the bible says not to commit fornication or adultery. So if you want to enjoy a little pornography without fornicating will you say "Oh I'm not fornicating or committing adultery I'm just looking moderately." I also did a test not long ago and i bought a Welches 100% concord grape juice bottle and opened it and took some of the grape juice out to take some for communion but then i closed it and left it sitting on top of my cabinet in my room for i don't know how long(probably a week or more). After all that time it actually fermented on it's own and began to have that fizzy soda effect. It tasted like grape soda but different and this is when i realized that the strong drink/wine that they used to drink long ago was not the wine and alcoholic drinks people drink today. Their wine probably tasted like soda just like the 100% concord grape juice that fermented after many days. Since it was a small bottle though and half way full I do believe that if i would have drank a large amount(like a quart) that i could have gotten drunk because i felt that it had some NATURAL alcohol in it. So the wine that the bible talks about i believe to be the strong drink that i drank that day that fermented in my room. It tasted nothing like the wine made these days because it had no man made alcohol. Also the bible says nothing about beer. I also don't see the reason for drinking beer it tastes nasty unless of course you want to get drunk or tipsy. Try it yourself and see what I'm talking about. Buy a welches 100% concord grape juice, open it and take some out and then just let it sit in your room or a cabinet for a week or two to ferment and you will see what I'm saying. I believe this to be the true wine that they drank in those days. I ain’t no pharisee or legalist but one thing i will say is that people tend to use the bible to approve of their alcoholic drinking when the bible says that DRUNKARDS will not inherit the kingdom of God. AHA! but you will say “I’m not a drunkard, i drink moderately”. I’ll tell you why i think that this is an idiotic statement. First of all the bible says not to commit fornication or adultery. So if you want to enjoy a little pornography without fornicating will you say “Oh I’m not fornicating or committing adultery I’m just looking moderately.” I also did a test not long ago and i bought a Welches 100% concord grape juice bottle and opened it and took some of the grape juice out to take some for communion but then i closed it and left it sitting on top of my cabinet in my room for i don’t know how long(probably a week or more). After all that time it actually fermented on it’s own and began to have that fizzy soda effect. It tasted like grape soda but different and this is when i realized that the strong drink/wine that they used to drink long ago was not the wine and alcoholic drinks people drink today. Their wine probably tasted like soda just like the 100% concord grape juice that fermented after many days. Since it was a small bottle though and half way full I do believe that if i would have drank a large amount(like a quart) that i could have gotten drunk because i felt that it had some NATURAL alcohol in it. So the wine that the bible talks about i believe to be the strong drink that i drank that day that fermented in my room. It tasted nothing like the wine made these days because it had no man made alcohol. Also the bible says nothing about beer. I also don’t see the reason for drinking beer it tastes nasty unless of course you want to get drunk or tipsy. Try it yourself and see what I’m talking about. Buy a welches 100% concord grape juice, open it and take some out and then just let it sit in your room or a cabinet for a week or two to ferment and you will see what I’m saying. I believe this to be the true wine that they drank in those days.

]]> By: Jeremy http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-282 Jeremy Fri, 05 Nov 2010 03:53:07 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/spurgeon-the-drinker-the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-282 I was referring to CONNIE.... not up on how these post work. sorry I was referring to CONNIE…. not up on how these post work. sorry

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