Comments on: How "Saving Bellevue" is Destroying Bellevue http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue Kingdom People - Living on Earth as Citizens of Heaven Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ernnestine http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-522 Ernnestine Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:34:32 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-522 What bible are you reading? I hear this man preach every Sunday before I leave for my own church, and I have never heard him preach anything but the bible that I read and study from - NKJV, Amplified, NLT, and other translations which are approved by most scholars. He preaches Jesus, salvation by grace through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, walking in the Spirit, living a holy life and witnessing to the lost. I believe if he were not God's man, he would have been removed by now or shown plainly to be godless. Dr. Rogers is in heaven. He is not coming back. He had already retired and Steve Gaines had been hired by the people of Bellevue. It is a shame before God for believers to publicly fight and back stab each other, giving the church and Christ a bad name just because they are not getting their way or can't get rid of a preacher they don't like. There is a lot of difference between personal preference and Scripture. No preacher ought to be maligned unless he is clearly violating Scripture. Our personal preferences don't matter, and we need to go somewhere else if we can't live with things we don't like where we are. Whose church is it? It is Jesus Christ's church and it is about what He likes and doesn't like!!!!!!!!!!!! What bible are you reading? I hear this man preach every Sunday before I leave for my own church, and I have never heard him preach anything but the bible that I read and study from – NKJV, Amplified, NLT, and other translations which are approved by most scholars. He preaches Jesus, salvation by grace through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross, walking in the Spirit, living a holy life and witnessing to the lost. I believe if he were not God’s man, he would have been removed by now or shown plainly to be godless. Dr. Rogers is in heaven. He is not coming back. He had already retired and Steve Gaines had been hired by the people of Bellevue. It is a shame before God for believers to publicly fight and back stab each other, giving the church and Christ a bad name just because they are not getting their way or can’t get rid of a preacher they don’t like. There is a lot of difference between personal preference and Scripture. No preacher ought to be maligned unless he is clearly violating Scripture. Our personal preferences don’t matter, and we need to go somewhere else if we can’t live with things we don’t like where we are. Whose church is it? It is Jesus Christ’s church and it is about what He likes and doesn’t like!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Tammie http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-521 Tammie Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:51:04 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-521 My husband & I are members of Bellevue Baptist Church. We receive a blessing everytime we hear our pastor speak because he is speaking from God's word. I do not know why some people feel the need to try to undermine God's work I can only conclude that is the work of the devil. I really believe that this website is just one of the many tools of the devil to cause conflict in the church. If you will read your Bible you will see that Christ loved the church so much that he gave his life for it. So the ones that are guilty of attempting to cause problems at Bellevue; remember this is Christ's church. Do you really want to stand before God on judgement day and give account of your malicious actions? My husband & I are members of Bellevue Baptist Church. We receive a blessing everytime we hear our pastor speak because he is speaking from God’s word. I do not know why some people feel the need to try to undermine God’s work I can only conclude that is the work of the devil. I really believe that this website is just one of the many tools of the devil to cause conflict in the church. If you will read your Bible you will see that Christ loved the church so much that he gave his life for it. So the ones that are guilty of attempting to cause problems at Bellevue; remember this is Christ’s church. Do you really want to stand before God on judgement day and give account of your malicious actions?

]]> By: Bill http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-520 Bill Mon, 29 Mar 2010 17:15:40 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-520 The buck stops with Steve Gaines. Really? So what your saying is that only Pastor Gaines can be held bibilically accoutable? What about not taking a brother or sister to open court as Paul said in 1 Corinthians? Each of us is responsible to be a witness. That means tha daily decisions, attitudes, and the way we go about conflict resolution, and the way we deal even with chruch staff is to be Biblical. Wheter or not we respond in obedience to the commands of Christ is the cry of the Bible. It is not whether or not we can make others submit. In my opinion, as Paul would say this is bill speaking not Christ. The biggest problem in the church today is a feeling of entitlement that if what we want is not happening we can pursue whatever avenue to get the results we desire. Pastor to stept down, teacher to quit teaching, my kid to get a fair shake, me to get the promotion I desire. The Buck stops with each of us. What ever happened to earth shaking prayer? If Steve Gaines is not supposed to be the undersheperd of Bellvue then pray for God to reveal that to Steve, if Steve is to be the undersheperd then pray for God's will to be done in His pastoral leadership and those that disagree pray that God will bring all to unity of the Spirit of God. Isn't that what Dr Rogers Called for in His final message as Sr Pastor of Bellvue? The buck stops with Steve Gaines. Really? So what your saying is that only Pastor Gaines can be held bibilically accoutable? What about not taking a brother or sister to open court as Paul said in 1 Corinthians? Each of us is responsible to be a witness. That means tha daily decisions, attitudes, and the way we go about conflict resolution, and the way we deal even with chruch staff is to be Biblical. Wheter or not we respond in obedience to the commands of Christ is the cry of the Bible. It is not whether or not we can make others submit.
In my opinion, as Paul would say this is bill speaking not Christ. The biggest problem in the church today is a feeling of entitlement that if what we want is not happening we can pursue whatever avenue to get the results we desire. Pastor to stept down, teacher to quit teaching, my kid to get a fair shake, me to get the promotion I desire.
The Buck stops with each of us.
What ever happened to earth shaking prayer? If Steve Gaines is not supposed to be the undersheperd of Bellvue then pray for God to reveal that to Steve, if Steve is to be the undersheperd then pray for God’s will to be done in His pastoral leadership and those that disagree pray that God will bring all to unity of the Spirit of God.
Isn’t that what Dr Rogers Called for in His final message as Sr Pastor of Bellvue?

]]> By: John Taylor http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-519 John Taylor Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:56:47 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-519 What a facinating article. I'm looking for a NLP expert to help with a project, who's your mentor? What a facinating article. I’m looking for a NLP expert to help with a project, who’s your mentor?

]]> By: CJ http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-518 CJ Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:41:37 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-518 How is Steve Gaines responding to the scripture that talks about "if your brother has ought against you" ? Is he going to them or is it his way or the highway? That should give some insight into the situation. How is Steve Gaines responding to the scripture that talks about “if your brother has ought against you” ? Is he going to them or is it his way or the highway? That should give some insight into the situation.

]]> By: Big Mama http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-517 Big Mama Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:42:23 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-517 I read the site. If this pastor is guilty of the things accused then he needs to step down for the good of this church and re-evaluate whether he should be in a position as spiritual leader. I do not know any of the people mention or the church except by reputation. So I do not know on a factual basis if any of these allegations are true. But a minister should be held to a higher standard. His handling of the sexual molester is grounds enough in my opinion for his resignation. He should have offered it up immediately and not put his church through this ugliness. I read the site. If this pastor is guilty of the things accused then he needs to step down for the good of this church and re-evaluate whether he should be in a position as spiritual leader. I do not know any of the people mention or the church except by reputation. So I do not know on a factual basis if any of these allegations are true. But a minister should be held to a higher standard. His handling of the sexual molester is grounds enough in my opinion for his resignation. He should have offered it up immediately and not put his church through this ugliness.

]]> By: Britt http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-516 Britt Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:46:07 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-516 ok people, Adrian Rogers was not God! So many people hold him so high that is seems this way! I now go to Bellevue and I love how Dr. Gaines is leading. He is just as much a man of God as Dr. Rogers was. Things are wonderful at Bellevue! ok people, Adrian Rogers was not God! So many people hold him so high that is seems this way! I now go to Bellevue and I love how Dr. Gaines is leading. He is just as much a man of God as Dr. Rogers was. Things are wonderful at Bellevue!

]]> By: Ken http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-515 Ken Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:28:55 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-515 I am formerly a member of Bellevue having left years ago due to job requirements. I absolutely loved Dr. Rogers and was able to attend his Memorial Service. I have heard S. Gaines preach twice as well as offer the invitation at the Christmas presentation. He did a wonderful job. I don't really know Dr. Gaines but the few times I have seen him I was impressed. Perhaps he has fooled me, but I must say that his critics do not impress me very much. They may be mostly in the right and just unable to express themselves that way due to the limits of electronic communication. I know blogs do not allow a person to express his heart. But, if this blog and the "Saving Bellevue" blog is an accurate representation of those who speak in the medium, I believe they should repent. They come off as nothing more than bitter, selfish, and hateful. I was also present when a minister taken in adultery went before the church and I concur that Dr. Rogers handled it perfectly. I also agree that Dr. Gaines messed up badly. People, there will never be another Adrian Rogers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I loved him and I miss him too. I am tearing up just thinking about him. Ken Whitten and The Roger's daughter's comments at his memorial service make me want to cry when I remember them. But you cannot expect ANY man to be another Adrian Rogers. Comments like "my church" and "I'm not 'important' enough" etc. make you seem petty and self-serving. Please know that I don't want to judge you. I am only expressing an opinion about how you "appear" on this and the Saving Bellevue blogs. Unless there is bonafide, clear-cut, proven, and obvious sin on the part of Steve Gaines, I believe you should refrain from this kind of rancor. If he is taken in adultery. if he is embezzling money. If he is preaching heresy (not just something you disagree with him about). If he is messing up (like he did one time) on a repetitive basis. If he has violated the biblical qualifications for the pastorate, THEN you should challenge him as pastor. But all I have ever heard or read is innuendo, hurt feelings, disagreements, and opinions against Steve Gaines. Before I would touch God's anointed, I would be very sure. Please forgive me for my tone in these comments. I have tried to soften it while still making my points. It is difficult to do so when not sitting face to face. May God bless Bellevue, her pastor, and her people. I am formerly a member of Bellevue having left years ago due to job requirements. I absolutely loved Dr. Rogers and was able to attend his Memorial Service. I have heard S. Gaines preach twice as well as offer the invitation at the Christmas presentation. He did a wonderful job.

I don’t really know Dr. Gaines but the few times I have seen him I was impressed. Perhaps he has fooled me, but I must say that his critics do not impress me very much. They may be mostly in the right and just unable to express themselves that way due to the limits of electronic communication. I know blogs do not allow a person to express his heart. But, if this blog and the “Saving Bellevue” blog is an accurate representation of those who speak in the medium, I believe they should repent. They come off as nothing more than bitter, selfish, and hateful. I was also present when a minister taken in adultery went before the church and I concur that Dr. Rogers handled it perfectly. I also agree that Dr. Gaines messed up badly. People, there will never be another Adrian Rogers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I loved him and I miss him too. I am tearing up just thinking about him. Ken Whitten and The Roger’s daughter’s comments at his memorial service make me want to cry when I remember them. But you cannot expect ANY man to be another Adrian Rogers.

Comments like “my church” and “I’m not ‘important’ enough” etc. make you seem petty and self-serving. Please know that I don’t want to judge you. I am only expressing an opinion about how you “appear” on this and the Saving Bellevue blogs.

Unless there is bonafide, clear-cut, proven, and obvious sin on the part of Steve Gaines, I believe you should refrain from this kind of rancor. If he is taken in adultery. if he is embezzling money. If he is preaching heresy (not just something you disagree with him about). If he is messing up (like he did one time) on a repetitive basis. If he has violated the biblical qualifications for the pastorate, THEN you should challenge him as pastor.

But all I have ever heard or read is innuendo, hurt feelings, disagreements, and opinions against Steve Gaines. Before I would touch God’s anointed, I would be very sure.

Please forgive me for my tone in these comments. I have tried to soften it while still making my points. It is difficult to do so when not sitting face to face.

May God bless Bellevue, her pastor, and her people.

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]]> By: Buffy http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-511 Buffy Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:11:17 +0000 http://trevinwax.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/how-saving-bellevue-is-destroying-bellevue/#comment-511 I hate to hear about the problems at Bellevue. Adrian Rogers was a true man of God and I know he is missed greatly. My church split a couple of years ago after we had an audit and had to hire a private investigator to find out what we found out. There are approximately 30 people left there now. I may never trust a pastor again but then we aren't supposed to trust man, we are supposed to trust God! I pray for Bellevue and the people that are hurting there because I know what it's like to have to leave your church that you don't want to leave. But I know im right where God wants me to be now and that these things happened at our church because God was no longer there. Like Bellevue, we could not get our pastor to leave. All the deacons left and most of the members are gone but the few I mentioned above. I don't see anything wrong with the Saving Bellevue site as long as the truth is being told because people need to know what these pastors are doing to Gods children and his house. I hate to hear about the problems at Bellevue. Adrian Rogers was a true man of God and I know he is missed greatly. My church split a couple of years ago after we had an audit and had to hire a private investigator to find out what we found out. There are approximately 30 people left there now. I may never trust a pastor again but then we aren’t supposed to trust man, we are supposed to trust God! I pray for Bellevue and the people that are hurting there because I know what it’s like to have to leave your church that you don’t want to leave. But I know im right where God wants me to be now and that these things happened at our church because God was no longer there. Like Bellevue, we could not get our pastor to leave. All the deacons left and most of the members are gone but the few I mentioned above. I don’t see anything wrong with the Saving Bellevue site as long as the truth is being told because people need to know what these pastors are doing to Gods children and his house.

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