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	<title>Comments on: Is Rob Bell Going Soft on Homosexuality?</title>
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		<title>By: Neal Punt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Punt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For three observations (two critical, one positive) on Bell&#039;s book Love Wins see:

www.evangelicalinclusivism.com and scroll down to FAQ number 24 &quot;Three Observations on Bell&#039;s Book, Love Wins.&quot;

Neal Punt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For three observations (two critical, one positive) on Bell&#8217;s book Love Wins see:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalinclusivism.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.evangelicalinclusivism.com</a> and scroll down to FAQ number 24 &#8220;Three Observations on Bell&#8217;s Book, Love Wins.&#8221;</p>
<p>Neal Punt</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah thank you for speaking sense.  I feel so happy that you have said this.  My soul leapt when I read it - especially after the very dark responses from so many others.  May the mercy, justice, peace and love of the Living Christ guide you always as it has just done.

Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah thank you for speaking sense.  I feel so happy that you have said this.  My soul leapt when I read it &#8211; especially after the very dark responses from so many others.  May the mercy, justice, peace and love of the Living Christ guide you always as it has just done.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it really matter whether Rob is &quot;going soft on homosexuality&quot; or not?

The issue of whether or not homosexuality is a sin is a side issue. It is not central to the gospel, and it is certainly not worth dividing the church over. For this reason, it would only be harmful for Rob to take a stand one way or the other.

What Rob is teaching, (and other people should be preaching) is that we all fall short of God&#039;s standards in different ways, and we need Jesus to re-unite us with the father.

A teachers job is not to stand up on a Sunday and list every type of conceivable sin. That is the holy spirits job, and he doesn&#039;t need our help.

If homosexuality is sinful, and God wants an individual to stop there will be conviction. Bringing judgement against people struggling with this issue, causes divisiveness, is in iteslf sinful and does not help to further the gospel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it really matter whether Rob is &#8220;going soft on homosexuality&#8221; or not?</p>
<p>The issue of whether or not homosexuality is a sin is a side issue. It is not central to the gospel, and it is certainly not worth dividing the church over. For this reason, it would only be harmful for Rob to take a stand one way or the other.</p>
<p>What Rob is teaching, (and other people should be preaching) is that we all fall short of God&#8217;s standards in different ways, and we need Jesus to re-unite us with the father.</p>
<p>A teachers job is not to stand up on a Sunday and list every type of conceivable sin. That is the holy spirits job, and he doesn&#8217;t need our help.</p>
<p>If homosexuality is sinful, and God wants an individual to stop there will be conviction. Bringing judgement against people struggling with this issue, causes divisiveness, is in iteslf sinful and does not help to further the gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to submit that people were carrying on these biblical discussions when issues of women&#039;s rights, black people&#039;s rights, Jewish people&#039;s rights, and various other social minorities&#039; rights came into question. And in each of those situations, people said, &quot;The Bible definitively says this&quot; on the issue, usually to justify any kind of discrimination, persecution, or--at the very minimum--dehumanization of another person. What the Church continuously realizes is that Christ is on the side of those on the margins, being a victim of religious and political persecution himself, and strives to liberate them from the oppression of those in power in society (i.e. the privileged majority, where the &quot;tyranny of the majority&quot; originates from).

Modern science and modern biblical scholarship, at least if you consult biblical scholars at the top-ranked schools in the world, all decry discrimination and condemnation against LGBTQ people. Homosexuality has appeared throughout the natural world as far back as history can be recorded. Differences in the brain structure and brain responses of LGBTQ people as compared to their heterosexual counterparts havve been recorded. The vast majority of scientists say sexual orientation is programmed into the brain during gestation. Studies as recent as 2010 conclude that there is no evidence that a) sexual orientation is influenced psychologically by environment b)  sexual orientation can be altered, but various organizations such as the American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, and the American Psychological Association have documented the physical, mental and emotional trauma that attempts to alter sexuality can cause, teamed with the condemnation and discrimination LGBTQ people are subjected to. It&#039;s no wonder that LGBTQ youth are more than four times more likely to attempt suicide--because they&#039;re being condemned for a &quot;problem&quot; that has no solution. What we do know is that the homosexuality described in the Bible is not homosexuality as we know it today: inborn and occurring in committed, loving relationships between two consenting adults. If we are going to take a literalistic interpretation of the Bible, then I suggest we start encouraging women not to speak in church, condemn them for wearing jewelry, boycott Red Lobster for selling shrimp (an abomination), refrain from wearing cotton-poly blends because it&#039;s more than one fabric, and selling our daughters into slavery.

The Church is hanging on by a thread, and it&#039;s because people are rightfully calling it to accountability for its parts in most of history&#039;s greatest human rights violations (the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Salem witch trials, colonialism, Holocaust, slavery, absence of women&#039;s rights, etc.). The Bible has been drawn into all of those arguments much like this one. I encourage us to remember the divine movement for the liberation of oppressed peoples and our call to love our neighbors. Christ went about restoring communities through love. Not condemning others by isolating verses from their contexts like the Pharisees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to submit that people were carrying on these biblical discussions when issues of women&#8217;s rights, black people&#8217;s rights, Jewish people&#8217;s rights, and various other social minorities&#8217; rights came into question. And in each of those situations, people said, &#8220;The Bible definitively says this&#8221; on the issue, usually to justify any kind of discrimination, persecution, or&#8211;at the very minimum&#8211;dehumanization of another person. What the Church continuously realizes is that Christ is on the side of those on the margins, being a victim of religious and political persecution himself, and strives to liberate them from the oppression of those in power in society (i.e. the privileged majority, where the &#8220;tyranny of the majority&#8221; originates from).</p>
<p>Modern science and modern biblical scholarship, at least if you consult biblical scholars at the top-ranked schools in the world, all decry discrimination and condemnation against LGBTQ people. Homosexuality has appeared throughout the natural world as far back as history can be recorded. Differences in the brain structure and brain responses of LGBTQ people as compared to their heterosexual counterparts havve been recorded. The vast majority of scientists say sexual orientation is programmed into the brain during gestation. Studies as recent as 2010 conclude that there is no evidence that a) sexual orientation is influenced psychologically by environment b)  sexual orientation can be altered, but various organizations such as the American Medical Association, American Psychiatric Association, and the American Psychological Association have documented the physical, mental and emotional trauma that attempts to alter sexuality can cause, teamed with the condemnation and discrimination LGBTQ people are subjected to. It&#8217;s no wonder that LGBTQ youth are more than four times more likely to attempt suicide&#8211;because they&#8217;re being condemned for a &#8220;problem&#8221; that has no solution. What we do know is that the homosexuality described in the Bible is not homosexuality as we know it today: inborn and occurring in committed, loving relationships between two consenting adults. If we are going to take a literalistic interpretation of the Bible, then I suggest we start encouraging women not to speak in church, condemn them for wearing jewelry, boycott Red Lobster for selling shrimp (an abomination), refrain from wearing cotton-poly blends because it&#8217;s more than one fabric, and selling our daughters into slavery.</p>
<p>The Church is hanging on by a thread, and it&#8217;s because people are rightfully calling it to accountability for its parts in most of history&#8217;s greatest human rights violations (the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Salem witch trials, colonialism, Holocaust, slavery, absence of women&#8217;s rights, etc.). The Bible has been drawn into all of those arguments much like this one. I encourage us to remember the divine movement for the liberation of oppressed peoples and our call to love our neighbors. Christ went about restoring communities through love. Not condemning others by isolating verses from their contexts like the Pharisees.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all this talk about soft on sin let&#039;s remember Jesus told the woman brought to him in adultery - I don&#039;t condemn you&quot; - but also &quot;Go and sin no more&quot;.  Just sayin&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all this talk about soft on sin let&#8217;s remember Jesus told the woman brought to him in adultery &#8211; I don&#8217;t condemn you&#8221; &#8211; but also &#8220;Go and sin no more&#8221;.  Just sayin&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Self</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/02/20/is-rob-bell-going-soft-on-homosexuality/#comment-572</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Self</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 18:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, you make a great point about Christians going after homosexuality as &quot;the number one sin.&quot;  I was just about to make a similar point on gluttony.  What about greed?  Greed is far more rampant than homosexuality is -- watch any televangelist.

As a gay Christian myself, I could not have put it better than Jim Johnson said in comment #5:

&quot;First point to clear up is that there is nothing wrong with changing; so the ability to predict a change pattern as Wayne Grudem does is not necessarily a bad thing, despite Grudem’s implications. That is what the progress of revelation was all about from the human perspective. That IS what is amazing about the Bible’s view of how God and human beings interact. God created humans to live a certain way. They claimed freedom and God adjusted his plan. God planned for lifelong marriages, but humans demanded divorce, so God adjusted the plan. God provided outstanding leadership to the tribes when they needed it, but they rejected his approach and demanded a monarchy; so he gave it to them. God sent his son to offer spiritual blessings meeting the deepest longings of the human heart beginning in this life and culminating in eternity, and people crucified him; but God obtained human cooperation with the resurrection and the world has never been the same since, though his followers have not always been true to his name.

The second point is that the question about whether or not homosexuality is sinful is really the wrong question. There is no doubt homosexuality is against God’s created order as revealed in the Bible. So also is divorce; yet there are times when it right to counsel divorce. EVERYTHING that falls short of GOODNESS is against God’s created order; yet it still might be good to do it because of how we have to deal with sin. We can only get into unprofitable verbal semantics when we try to justify why “bad” things such as surgery things are good; but if a condition exists as a consequence of sin, then how to best correct or live with that condition is the moral question that challenges us. Do you let a person die, or do you do surgery? Do you tell a person who feels themself to be fully homosexual that they must deny that identity, or do you fully accept them? That is the moral question.

For several hundred years our society has created the conditions where young people are saturated with sexual stimuli yet prevented from entering early marriage without great risk, and now we are beginning to see the consequences on many fronts. We must face these moral challenges by loving people without ultimately rejecting them.&quot;

I would also like to add that when Christians buy into the liberal/conservative labels, we step out of Christianity and into the political world.  By blurring these lines, we still end up with the &quot;watered down&quot; version of Christianity, don&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, you make a great point about Christians going after homosexuality as &#8220;the number one sin.&#8221;  I was just about to make a similar point on gluttony.  What about greed?  Greed is far more rampant than homosexuality is &#8212; watch any televangelist.</p>
<p>As a gay Christian myself, I could not have put it better than Jim Johnson said in comment #5:</p>
<p>&#8220;First point to clear up is that there is nothing wrong with changing; so the ability to predict a change pattern as Wayne Grudem does is not necessarily a bad thing, despite Grudem’s implications. That is what the progress of revelation was all about from the human perspective. That IS what is amazing about the Bible’s view of how God and human beings interact. God created humans to live a certain way. They claimed freedom and God adjusted his plan. God planned for lifelong marriages, but humans demanded divorce, so God adjusted the plan. God provided outstanding leadership to the tribes when they needed it, but they rejected his approach and demanded a monarchy; so he gave it to them. God sent his son to offer spiritual blessings meeting the deepest longings of the human heart beginning in this life and culminating in eternity, and people crucified him; but God obtained human cooperation with the resurrection and the world has never been the same since, though his followers have not always been true to his name.</p>
<p>The second point is that the question about whether or not homosexuality is sinful is really the wrong question. There is no doubt homosexuality is against God’s created order as revealed in the Bible. So also is divorce; yet there are times when it right to counsel divorce. EVERYTHING that falls short of GOODNESS is against God’s created order; yet it still might be good to do it because of how we have to deal with sin. We can only get into unprofitable verbal semantics when we try to justify why “bad” things such as surgery things are good; but if a condition exists as a consequence of sin, then how to best correct or live with that condition is the moral question that challenges us. Do you let a person die, or do you do surgery? Do you tell a person who feels themself to be fully homosexual that they must deny that identity, or do you fully accept them? That is the moral question.</p>
<p>For several hundred years our society has created the conditions where young people are saturated with sexual stimuli yet prevented from entering early marriage without great risk, and now we are beginning to see the consequences on many fronts. We must face these moral challenges by loving people without ultimately rejecting them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would also like to add that when Christians buy into the liberal/conservative labels, we step out of Christianity and into the political world.  By blurring these lines, we still end up with the &#8220;watered down&#8221; version of Christianity, don&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear many of you may miss the point I believe the bible makes. We are to love the person and still hate the sin which the bible is very clear abouti homosexuality is a sin. I believe the challenge is to show people their error in aloving way and do so on the way to repent for your own sins as well. I do not think we should interpet love as conveyance/ tolerance for sin as much as inclusion to proper perfection by the fathers written countenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear many of you may miss the point I believe the bible makes. We are to love the person and still hate the sin which the bible is very clear abouti homosexuality is a sin. I believe the challenge is to show people their error in aloving way and do so on the way to repent for your own sins as well. I do not think we should interpet love as conveyance/ tolerance for sin as much as inclusion to proper perfection by the fathers written countenance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing. Your idea that Christ being silent on a particular issue in scripture means that He agrees with it is pure speculation at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing. Your idea that Christ being silent on a particular issue in scripture means that He agrees with it is pure speculation at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historic Christianity? The kind that inspired the crusades? Secondly,Mr. Trevin, the central theme of the Gospel is love, no other way around it. Jesus speaks on several laws, however, through the cross we are placed under a new covenant. No condemnation for those who believe. (Romans 8:1, 1st Tim 4:10,Hosea 6:6,Micah 6:8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historic Christianity? The kind that inspired the crusades? Secondly,Mr. Trevin, the central theme of the Gospel is love, no other way around it. Jesus speaks on several laws, however, through the cross we are placed under a new covenant. No condemnation for those who believe. (Romans 8:1, 1st Tim 4:10,Hosea 6:6,Micah 6:8)</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know all of you on here seem to talk better than I do with your vocabulary and theology, so I say this as plain as plain can be.
Mars Hills doctrine does not state what you all say it does. Coming from a insider who has now left that church.......
&quot;They don&#039;t believe in Hell&quot; and &quot;All faiths go to Heaven&quot; seems a bit universalism, don&#039;t you think? I think before you throw all your eggs in Rob Bells basket, you should interpret the bible for what the bible says and not for what your interpretation of it is.  Yes Jesus loves homosexuals and he loves sinners.
We all fall short. But, there is also a huge difference between sin (habitually) without the wanting to change, and the person that is constantly being sanctified from sin. Have you ever read Romans, when Paul discusses his heart to obey God, and to be righteous, yet he continues to do what he does not want to do, and proves that the law is good. When you choose a continuos life-style of sin, that can only lead to death spiritually.
So as I agree that we all need to give more to the poor and concentrate on ourselves more than others sins and mishaps, it is also very biblical to speak the truth in love. Are we living and believing in Jesus Christ from the BIble when we make justification for habitual sin? Are we believing in the Jesus Christ in the word when we teach that that the Bible was not inspired by God? (Rob Bells quote)
So....yes....lets all continue to look at ourselves and stop judging others and let people come to God as they are, but in the end, Gods love will draw us to change.
So as it may take some time for some to repent, and that is something to show grace for, it is also completely another thing to be condoning of sin, and allow people to go unchanged by the WORD OF GOD. THE WORD OF GOD WILL CHANGE ALL THINGS IN US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know all of you on here seem to talk better than I do with your vocabulary and theology, so I say this as plain as plain can be.<br />
Mars Hills doctrine does not state what you all say it does. Coming from a insider who has now left that church&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
&#8220;They don&#8217;t believe in Hell&#8221; and &#8220;All faiths go to Heaven&#8221; seems a bit universalism, don&#8217;t you think? I think before you throw all your eggs in Rob Bells basket, you should interpret the bible for what the bible says and not for what your interpretation of it is.  Yes Jesus loves homosexuals and he loves sinners.<br />
We all fall short. But, there is also a huge difference between sin (habitually) without the wanting to change, and the person that is constantly being sanctified from sin. Have you ever read Romans, when Paul discusses his heart to obey God, and to be righteous, yet he continues to do what he does not want to do, and proves that the law is good. When you choose a continuos life-style of sin, that can only lead to death spiritually.<br />
So as I agree that we all need to give more to the poor and concentrate on ourselves more than others sins and mishaps, it is also very biblical to speak the truth in love. Are we living and believing in Jesus Christ from the BIble when we make justification for habitual sin? Are we believing in the Jesus Christ in the word when we teach that that the Bible was not inspired by God? (Rob Bells quote)<br />
So&#8230;.yes&#8230;.lets all continue to look at ourselves and stop judging others and let people come to God as they are, but in the end, Gods love will draw us to change.<br />
So as it may take some time for some to repent, and that is something to show grace for, it is also completely another thing to be condoning of sin, and allow people to go unchanged by the WORD OF GOD. THE WORD OF GOD WILL CHANGE ALL THINGS IN US.</p>
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