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	<title>Comments on: Wright on Penal Substitution</title>
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		<title>By: Rethinking the Atonement &#124; DashHouse.com</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/11/18/wright-on-penal-substitution/#comment-1324</link>
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		<description>[...] of some Reformed types, but is also held by others such as McKnight and N.T. Wright (see here and here). I realize that you don&#8217;t win an argument by stacking up experts, but we need to counter the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of some Reformed types, but is also held by others such as McKnight and N.T. Wright (see here and here). I realize that you don&#8217;t win an argument by stacking up experts, but we need to counter the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And still more ironically, Tom fails to mention that Oak Hill is very much on the radar with regards to the Church and the public sphere!  For example, see thee 2007 School of Theology.

It would be nice if he stopped spinning -because on so much he talks a lot of sense but is trying to duck the point that his review of PFOT simply didn&#039;t square with the facts -e.g. yes it does engage with the Gospels -just in a different style to how he (very effectively does it).

My tip -read Pierced for Our Transgressions and Jesus and the Victory of God together as complimentary.  PFOT covers ground not covered and in a way not covered by JVOT.  That doesn&#039;t make Wright&#039;s books sub-Biblical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And still more ironically, Tom fails to mention that Oak Hill is very much on the radar with regards to the Church and the public sphere!  For example, see thee 2007 School of Theology.</p>
<p>It would be nice if he stopped spinning -because on so much he talks a lot of sense but is trying to duck the point that his review of PFOT simply didn&#8217;t square with the facts -e.g. yes it does engage with the Gospels -just in a different style to how he (very effectively does it).</p>
<p>My tip -read Pierced for Our Transgressions and Jesus and the Victory of God together as complimentary.  PFOT covers ground not covered and in a way not covered by JVOT.  That doesn&#8217;t make Wright&#8217;s books sub-Biblical.</p>
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		<title>By: rosclarke</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, ironically perhaps, much of Chalke&#039;s book was drawn from &#039;Recovering the Scandal of the Cross&#039; by one Joel Green of, I believe, the same Asbury Seminary where this interview was conducted.  Joel Green was the keynote speaker at the symposium mentioned above and clearly and consistenly repudiated penal substitution even in its most carefully articulated form.  In doing so, he also committed several other major faux pas at both a personal and a theological level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, ironically perhaps, much of Chalke&#8217;s book was drawn from &#8216;Recovering the Scandal of the Cross&#8217; by one Joel Green of, I believe, the same Asbury Seminary where this interview was conducted.  Joel Green was the keynote speaker at the symposium mentioned above and clearly and consistenly repudiated penal substitution even in its most carefully articulated form.  In doing so, he also committed several other major faux pas at both a personal and a theological level.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeffery, Sach and Ovey posted a response to NTW several months ago at their website. Check out http://piercedforourtransgressions.com/content/view/107/51/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffery, Sach and Ovey posted a response to NTW several months ago at their website. Check out <a href="http://piercedforourtransgressions.com/content/view/107/51/" rel="nofollow">http://piercedforourtransgressions.com/content/view/107/51/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Grey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for the record of this interview.

Just a brief note regarding Tom Wright and Steve Chalke, specifically whether Mr Chalke rejects penal substitution outright or just a distortion of it.

At a formal debate organised by the UK&#039;s Evangelical Alliance and at a subsequent symposium on the atonement held at the London School of Theology, Steve Chalke heard very clear and Biblical articulations of penal substitution and was himself equally clear that he was rejecting this doctrine in its entirety.

In other words, whilst it is charitable to give Mr Chalke the benefit of the doubt, his public statements subsequent to publishing the &quot;Lost Message of Jesus&quot; make it abundantly clear that he is NOT just rejecting a distortion of penal substitution. Sad to say, his is a very dangerous book that strikes at the heart of the atonement.

It is perhaps even sadder that a basically bad book receives undue charity and praise from Tom Wright, while he denounces a basically excellent book such as Pierced for our Transgressions as &quot;sub-biblical&quot; and &quot;unbiblical.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for the record of this interview.</p>
<p>Just a brief note regarding Tom Wright and Steve Chalke, specifically whether Mr Chalke rejects penal substitution outright or just a distortion of it.</p>
<p>At a formal debate organised by the UK&#8217;s Evangelical Alliance and at a subsequent symposium on the atonement held at the London School of Theology, Steve Chalke heard very clear and Biblical articulations of penal substitution and was himself equally clear that he was rejecting this doctrine in its entirety.</p>
<p>In other words, whilst it is charitable to give Mr Chalke the benefit of the doubt, his public statements subsequent to publishing the &#8220;Lost Message of Jesus&#8221; make it abundantly clear that he is NOT just rejecting a distortion of penal substitution. Sad to say, his is a very dangerous book that strikes at the heart of the atonement.</p>
<p>It is perhaps even sadder that a basically bad book receives undue charity and praise from Tom Wright, while he denounces a basically excellent book such as Pierced for our Transgressions as &#8220;sub-biblical&#8221; and &#8220;unbiblical.&#8221;</p>
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