Comments on: Future of Justification 5: Covenant and Law-Court http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court Kingdom People - Living on Earth as Citizens of Heaven Tue, 22 May 2012 18:06:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: daniel http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1361 daniel Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:03:43 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1361 I don't know about Piper's questions when approaching his study of Paul, but I believe Wright's questions may be something other than "How is God setting the world to rights?" Wright is quoted in a review of his book "Paul in Fresh Perspective" as saying that for him there is "no more stimulating exercise for the mind, the heart, the imagination, and the spirit, than trying to think Paul's thoughts after him". Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that this suggests that Wright's questions tend toward "What was Paul thinking?", "Why did he say that...in that way....at this point?", "Why quote that OT passage at this point in his argument?" and so forth. Again, I may be wrong but I think these questions are what lead him to ask "How is God putting the world to rights?" I don’t know about Piper’s questions when approaching his study of Paul, but I believe Wright’s questions may be something other than “How is God setting the world to rights?”

Wright is quoted in a review of his book “Paul in Fresh Perspective” as saying that for him there is “no more stimulating exercise for the mind, the heart, the imagination, and the spirit, than trying to think Paul’s thoughts after him”.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I think that this suggests that Wright’s questions tend toward “What was Paul thinking?”, “Why did he say that…in that way….at this point?”, “Why quote that OT passage at this point in his argument?” and so forth.

Again, I may be wrong but I think these questions are what lead him to ask “How is God putting the world to rights?”

]]> By: Ted Hans http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1360 Ted Hans Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:48:25 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1360 On this one i am with Piper - Was the earth not cursed because of Adams sin and according to Romans 8 is the whole creation not awaiting the full redemption of the sons of God? Sure there is a comic side to redemption but Pipers model here is closer to the bible than Wright. I agree that both questions are right and both need to be asked but first things first. On this one i am with Piper – Was the earth not cursed because of Adams sin and according to Romans 8 is the whole creation not awaiting the full redemption of the sons of God? Sure there is a comic side to redemption but Pipers model here is closer to the bible than Wright.

I agree that both questions are right and both need to be asked but first things first.

]]> By: Celucien Joseph http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1359 Celucien Joseph Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:45:06 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1359 Great post! Christians in America need to learn from Piper and Wright in respect to their understanding of "salvation history." What the church needs is a fresh reading of the Gospel and Jesus' message, a good grasp of Paul's theology, and its implications for the church today. To me, the church in America emphasizes more efficiently the salvific aspect of salvation, while undermining and neglecting its social and political effects. That includes, Christians' interaction with the social and political order, our understanding of people whom we live next to and how we relate to other individuals. The Gospel of Christ embraces and has serious implications for the individual's salvation and cosmos restoration (i.e. sociology, politic and anthropology). The difficult task is for the Christian to incorporate these matters in our daily life. It is also noteworthy to mention that those who have emphasized/want to focus on the social and political function of the Gospel are simply labeled as "liberal christians" by some evangelicals. I will not be surprised if some will take Wright's view of salvation as liberal. Blessings in Christ, Lou Great post!
Christians in America need to learn from Piper and Wright in respect to their understanding of “salvation history.” What the church needs is a fresh reading of the Gospel and Jesus’ message, a good grasp of Paul’s theology, and its implications for the church today. To me, the church in America emphasizes more efficiently the salvific aspect of salvation, while undermining and neglecting its social and political effects. That includes, Christians’ interaction with the social and political order, our understanding of people whom we live next to and how we relate to other individuals. The Gospel of Christ embraces and has serious implications for the individual’s salvation and cosmos restoration (i.e. sociology, politic and anthropology). The difficult task is for the Christian to incorporate these matters in our daily life.

It is also noteworthy to mention that those who have emphasized/want to focus on the social and political function of the Gospel are simply labeled as “liberal christians” by some evangelicals. I will not be surprised if some will take Wright’s view of salvation as liberal.

Blessings in Christ,
Lou

]]> By: links for 2007-12-06 « Way Over Yonder in the Minor Key http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1356 links for 2007-12-06 « Way Over Yonder in the Minor Key Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:18:20 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1356 [...] Future of Justification 5: Covenant and Law-Court - Kingdom People I like the illustration of the difference in Piper’s view and Wright’s view. Not sure who I agree with, but it’s good food for thought. (tags: Christianity) [...] [...] Future of Justification 5: Covenant and Law-Court – Kingdom People I like the illustration of the difference in Piper’s view and Wright’s view. Not sure who I agree with, but it’s good food for thought. (tags: Christianity) [...]

]]> By: trevinwax http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1358 trevinwax Wed, 05 Dec 2007 02:01:13 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1358 Insightful points, Ron. I think you are right. Both men are asking different questions. Both questions are right and both need to be asked. And the great thing is that the gospel does answer both. Insightful points, Ron.

I think you are right. Both men are asking different questions. Both questions are right and both need to be asked. And the great thing is that the gospel does answer both.

]]> By: RonH http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1357 RonH Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:39:07 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/2007/12/04/future-of-justification-5-covenant-and-law-court/#comment-1357 This point is a key one in understanding the differences between Piper and Wright. To oversimplify: I think that for Piper "the Gospel" is primarily the answer to Luther's question, "How can I find a gracious God?" For Wright, the question is primarily "How is God putting the world to rights?" Obviously, "the Gospel" is the right answer to both questions. But if it were a Jeopardy clue, these two gentlemen would give different responses. This point is a key one in understanding the differences between Piper and Wright. To oversimplify: I think that for Piper “the Gospel” is primarily the answer to Luther’s question, “How can I find a gracious God?” For Wright, the question is primarily “How is God putting the world to rights?”

Obviously, “the Gospel” is the right answer to both questions. But if it were a Jeopardy clue, these two gentlemen would give different responses.

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