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		<title>By: Counterfeit Gospels: The Back Story (How an Idea Becomes a Book) &#124; Inside Pages</title>
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		<dc:creator>Counterfeit Gospels: The Back Story (How an Idea Becomes a Book) &#124; Inside Pages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Over time, that feeling went away. About a year after I completed Holy Subversion, I got to work on a second proposal. My idea was to lead readers through twelve chapters of theology in a way that underscores the breathtaking beauty of Truth – particularly the truth of the gospel and the grand narrative of Scripture. I titled the idea Beautiful Truth, a concept based on a post I had written called “Truth is Beautiful.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Over time, that feeling went away. About a year after I completed Holy Subversion, I got to work on a second proposal. My idea was to lead readers through twelve chapters of theology in a way that underscores the breathtaking beauty of Truth – particularly the truth of the gospel and the grand narrative of Scripture. I titled the idea Beautiful Truth, a concept based on a post I had written called “Truth is Beautiful.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Fiction &#171; The Lost Road</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Fiction &#171; The Lost Road</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 07:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] September 5, 2009 by Chuck Wade    I just came across this quote on Kingdom People, one of the Christian blogs I read. It&#8217;s a great quote from a critique about The Shack and I think it&#8217;s a lesson that really well-read good writers need to learn. Perhaps the world doesn&#8217;t need your next big commentary, or yet another systematic theology. I think, more than most things, it&#8217;s fiction that shapes most people, it&#8217;s fiction that helps most people think through larger issues, it&#8217;s fiction that will help people get deep theology that they hold fast to. So, where are the excellent Christian fiction writers? It is easy to sit back and critique The Shack. (There is so much to critique!) But perhaps evangelicals who can see the problems with The Shack should instead invest some creative energy in writing stories that resonate with people in a similar way. As I have written elsewhere: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] September 5, 2009 by Chuck Wade    I just came across this quote on Kingdom People, one of the Christian blogs I read. It&#8217;s a great quote from a critique about The Shack and I think it&#8217;s a lesson that really well-read good writers need to learn. Perhaps the world doesn&#8217;t need your next big commentary, or yet another systematic theology. I think, more than most things, it&#8217;s fiction that shapes most people, it&#8217;s fiction that helps most people think through larger issues, it&#8217;s fiction that will help people get deep theology that they hold fast to. So, where are the excellent Christian fiction writers? It is easy to sit back and critique The Shack. (There is so much to critique!) But perhaps evangelicals who can see the problems with The Shack should instead invest some creative energy in writing stories that resonate with people in a similar way. As I have written elsewhere: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t You Realize It&#8217;s Just Fiction?</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2008/09/02/truth-is-beautiful/#comment-3032</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t You Realize It&#8217;s Just Fiction?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It is easy to sit back and critique The Shack. (There is so much to critique!) But perhaps evangelicals who can see the problems with The Shack should instead invest some creative energy in writing stories that resonate with people in a similar way. As I have written elsewhere: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It is easy to sit back and critique The Shack. (There is so much to critique!) But perhaps evangelicals who can see the problems with The Shack should instead invest some creative energy in writing stories that resonate with people in a similar way. As I have written elsewhere: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blogspotting 9/15 at Between the Trees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogspotting 9/15 at Between the Trees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wax has an excellent post exploring the connection between truth and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blogging As Conversation, Not Publication &#124; Said at Southern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blogging As Conversation, Not Publication &#124; Said at Southern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Truth is Beautiful from Kingdom People  Related Posts [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Wilson</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2008/09/02/truth-is-beautiful/#comment-3030</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard W. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As e4unity just suggested, we need to keep scripture first as we move on to theologizing, as well as to gospel story-telling. This is, of course, not as simple as we pray it would be in our lives and thought, but we all come at it from our different perspectives and presuppositions, necessitating a continual retreat from all we&#039;ve been told to the certainties of God&#039;s word, then advancing again with renewed clarity of what God has revealed to us of his truth embodied in scriptural tradition. Two of the questions Trevin asked here are essential:

# How many times have I taught about the attributes of God without telling stories about God’s character that illuminate and reveal the beauty of our unchanging Father?
# How many times have I dealt with heavy issues of suffering and pain purely from an intellectual standpoint, not allowing the beauty of Christ’s willingness to suffer on the cross to inform my presentation?

I would suggest that these are questions often raised and answered in emergent conversations and story-telling, and point to aspects of the emerging church movement with answers that respond much in agreement with Trevin&#039;s contribution here. In fact I think there may be as many in the emergent movement prone to camp out in the midst of the traditional theological trees as in the post-traditional forest, so I don&#039;t think being &quot;Un-Emergent&quot; is particularly helpful. Certainly Marc Driscoll, Acts 29 and associates are not a minor stream in the movement. As C. Michael Patton&#039;s analysis of the movement suggests (&quot;Would the Real Merger Please Stand Up?&quot; reclaimingthemind.org), it may be helpful to distinguish between the Emergent Church and the Emerging Church streams of the movement, since the liberal to conservative, progressive to traditional spectrum runs pretty much the same gamut as the wider church traditions do. The altogether orthodox end of the spectrum he calls Emerging and the more liberal camp as Emergent.

On a somewhat different note, I think rather than focus on questions of doctrinal truth and/or inspirational story, we need to focus more on the one who is true and beautiful and the true and beautiful narratives regarding his person and work in creation and redemption as specifically seen in scripture alone. We all perhaps try to do that in our own way, but discerning between theological &quot;truths&quot; of tradition and those of scripture is never as simple as we would wish. For instance, Trevin says that &#039;the only way that “God is love” can be true is if God existed as a perfect community of self-giving love long before God had a creation to shower his love upon.&#039; But is this a biblical doctrine because it expresses a truth from scripture, or is it from tradition? Where in scripture do we find this pre-time, &quot;eternal triune relationship of love&quot; described? Is it true because it is beautiful? Is this an argument from the Apostles or from human tradition? The idea of an eternal relationship of &quot;timeless&quot; and &quot;unchanging&quot; love leaves me as cold as that of a deist&#039;s deity who has left us to our own devices, mostly because it is not inherent in the narratives or doctrines of scripture.

In any case, it may be that being decidedly &quot;Un-Emergent&quot; just means one is a part of a movement that has already &quot;Emerged,&quot; being committed to standing still in contemporary orthodoxy rather than either moving forward into greater clarity from scripture or back to the original clarity of the Apostles&#039; teaching.
I pray this is helpful to someone out there.
Yours in and for Christ,
Richard W. Wilson; St. Louis, MO, USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As e4unity just suggested, we need to keep scripture first as we move on to theologizing, as well as to gospel story-telling. This is, of course, not as simple as we pray it would be in our lives and thought, but we all come at it from our different perspectives and presuppositions, necessitating a continual retreat from all we&#8217;ve been told to the certainties of God&#8217;s word, then advancing again with renewed clarity of what God has revealed to us of his truth embodied in scriptural tradition. Two of the questions Trevin asked here are essential:</p>
<p># How many times have I taught about the attributes of God without telling stories about God’s character that illuminate and reveal the beauty of our unchanging Father?<br />
# How many times have I dealt with heavy issues of suffering and pain purely from an intellectual standpoint, not allowing the beauty of Christ’s willingness to suffer on the cross to inform my presentation?</p>
<p>I would suggest that these are questions often raised and answered in emergent conversations and story-telling, and point to aspects of the emerging church movement with answers that respond much in agreement with Trevin&#8217;s contribution here. In fact I think there may be as many in the emergent movement prone to camp out in the midst of the traditional theological trees as in the post-traditional forest, so I don&#8217;t think being &#8220;Un-Emergent&#8221; is particularly helpful. Certainly Marc Driscoll, Acts 29 and associates are not a minor stream in the movement. As C. Michael Patton&#8217;s analysis of the movement suggests (&#8220;Would the Real Merger Please Stand Up?&#8221; reclaimingthemind.org), it may be helpful to distinguish between the Emergent Church and the Emerging Church streams of the movement, since the liberal to conservative, progressive to traditional spectrum runs pretty much the same gamut as the wider church traditions do. The altogether orthodox end of the spectrum he calls Emerging and the more liberal camp as Emergent.</p>
<p>On a somewhat different note, I think rather than focus on questions of doctrinal truth and/or inspirational story, we need to focus more on the one who is true and beautiful and the true and beautiful narratives regarding his person and work in creation and redemption as specifically seen in scripture alone. We all perhaps try to do that in our own way, but discerning between theological &#8220;truths&#8221; of tradition and those of scripture is never as simple as we would wish. For instance, Trevin says that &#8216;the only way that “God is love” can be true is if God existed as a perfect community of self-giving love long before God had a creation to shower his love upon.&#8217; But is this a biblical doctrine because it expresses a truth from scripture, or is it from tradition? Where in scripture do we find this pre-time, &#8220;eternal triune relationship of love&#8221; described? Is it true because it is beautiful? Is this an argument from the Apostles or from human tradition? The idea of an eternal relationship of &#8220;timeless&#8221; and &#8220;unchanging&#8221; love leaves me as cold as that of a deist&#8217;s deity who has left us to our own devices, mostly because it is not inherent in the narratives or doctrines of scripture.</p>
<p>In any case, it may be that being decidedly &#8220;Un-Emergent&#8221; just means one is a part of a movement that has already &#8220;Emerged,&#8221; being committed to standing still in contemporary orthodoxy rather than either moving forward into greater clarity from scripture or back to the original clarity of the Apostles&#8217; teaching.<br />
I pray this is helpful to someone out there.<br />
Yours in and for Christ,<br />
Richard W. Wilson; St. Louis, MO, USA</p>
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		<title>By: e4unity</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2008/09/02/truth-is-beautiful/#comment-3029</link>
		<dc:creator>e4unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps there is a much deeper lesson God is trying to teach us all- especially those who have been trained in the culture of &quot;right doctrine&quot; christianity. We all agree that the God who has revealed himself in Scripture and finally and completely for this age, in His Word that became flesh, is altogether lovely, magnificent, and immensely satisfying to those with the new heart and the Spirit of Christ.

But think about this very simple question: Where do we encounter this self-revelation of the Godhead? If someone were to say to you that in the most foundational thing about Christianity as revealed truth, &quot;nothing that has happened or been experienced or even written, since the closing of the cannon, matters in the first order of things&quot;, because it is not apart of that revelation,would you be able to accept that without feeling the urge to modify it or qualify it? I think studying theology is one of the greatest callings a child of God can ever dedicate himself to; but I also believe it must be kept in its place because of the inherent danger alluded to in this post: that of taking the primal place of Scripture alone in our teaching and preaching and in our churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there is a much deeper lesson God is trying to teach us all- especially those who have been trained in the culture of &#8220;right doctrine&#8221; christianity. We all agree that the God who has revealed himself in Scripture and finally and completely for this age, in His Word that became flesh, is altogether lovely, magnificent, and immensely satisfying to those with the new heart and the Spirit of Christ.</p>
<p>But think about this very simple question: Where do we encounter this self-revelation of the Godhead? If someone were to say to you that in the most foundational thing about Christianity as revealed truth, &#8220;nothing that has happened or been experienced or even written, since the closing of the cannon, matters in the first order of things&#8221;, because it is not apart of that revelation,would you be able to accept that without feeling the urge to modify it or qualify it? I think studying theology is one of the greatest callings a child of God can ever dedicate himself to; but I also believe it must be kept in its place because of the inherent danger alluded to in this post: that of taking the primal place of Scripture alone in our teaching and preaching and in our churches.</p>
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		<title>By: Raffi Shahinian</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2008/09/02/truth-is-beautiful/#comment-3028</link>
		<dc:creator>Raffi Shahinian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, He is beautiful.

Grace and Peace,
Raffi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, He is beautiful.</p>
<p>Grace and Peace,<br />
Raffi</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Peterson</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2008/09/02/truth-is-beautiful/#comment-3027</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buechner&#039;s &quot;Telling the Truth: The Gospel as Tragedy, Comedy and Fairy Tale&quot; was one of key books for this Wheaton class. As was The Great Divorce, by Lewis.  Your Buechner quote from a few days ago was an example of good art (literature/writing) in communicating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buechner&#8217;s &#8220;Telling the Truth: The Gospel as Tragedy, Comedy and Fairy Tale&#8221; was one of key books for this Wheaton class. As was The Great Divorce, by Lewis.  Your Buechner quote from a few days ago was an example of good art (literature/writing) in communicating.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended a Wheaton College roundtable on communcating and comprehending the Gospel with Imagination.   Your post reminds me of our April discussion.  One salient point is that often theologians disdain the imagination as fallen.  True, but the intellect is also fallen.  We would do well to engage the imaginations of those we are trying to reach.  Good preaching does this.  Good writing does this.  Was Handel a theologian? In a way, yes.  What about other artists like Bono?  In rejecting the wrong thinking of art with our fine enlightened intellect, let us not throw the baby out with the bath water.   After all, God created our imaginations as well.  And who more imaginatively communicated truth than Jesus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a Wheaton College roundtable on communcating and comprehending the Gospel with Imagination.   Your post reminds me of our April discussion.  One salient point is that often theologians disdain the imagination as fallen.  True, but the intellect is also fallen.  We would do well to engage the imaginations of those we are trying to reach.  Good preaching does this.  Good writing does this.  Was Handel a theologian? In a way, yes.  What about other artists like Bono?  In rejecting the wrong thinking of art with our fine enlightened intellect, let us not throw the baby out with the bath water.   After all, God created our imaginations as well.  And who more imaginatively communicated truth than Jesus?</p>
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