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	<title>Comments on: Being Pro-Life in a Culture of Death: An Interview with Russ Moore</title>
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		<title>By: In the Blogosphere &#171; Kingdom People</title>
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		<dc:creator>In the Blogosphere &#171; Kingdom People</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Top Post this Week at Kingdom People: Being Pro-Life in a Culture of Death: An Interview with Russell Moore [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By that logic, we shouldn&#039;t have laws against rape and murder.

Abortion should be illegal because it is an attack on the vulnerable.  Plain and simple.  I may think it worse than animal abuse, but the premise is the same: a civilized society does not and should not treat those among us who are so vulnerable as disposable.  Our motivation may be Scriptural, but our reasoning can be biological and ethical, and that is why we can make our case in a pluralistic society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By that logic, we shouldn&#8217;t have laws against rape and murder.</p>
<p>Abortion should be illegal because it is an attack on the vulnerable.  Plain and simple.  I may think it worse than animal abuse, but the premise is the same: a civilized society does not and should not treat those among us who are so vulnerable as disposable.  Our motivation may be Scriptural, but our reasoning can be biological and ethical, and that is why we can make our case in a pluralistic society.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, we can make a biological argument against abortion. Even without referring to Scripture. . .&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, we can, and if you want to do that in secular society, by all means do.  It&#039;s a perfectly reasonable position for a citizen of the United States to take, and a legitimate dialog to have (though I know of plenty of debate in biology as to just what defines &quot;life&quot;).  But when you&#039;re making a biological argument, you&#039;re no longer making a Christian one, for though biologists can be Christians and Christians can be biologists, neither is a necessary criterion of the other.

But the premise of this thread, both Dr. Moore&#039;s book and Trevin&#039;s comments, is opposition to abortion as a Christian, moral imperative.  That can ONLY be done if and to the extent it&#039;s supported in Scripture.  And there, I turn your question back to you, for I contend that Scripture only has authority to those who have accepted, first and foremost, the One whose authority is behind, above, and beyond Scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, we can make a biological argument against abortion. Even without referring to Scripture. . .</i></p>
<p>Yes, we can, and if you want to do that in secular society, by all means do.  It&#8217;s a perfectly reasonable position for a citizen of the United States to take, and a legitimate dialog to have (though I know of plenty of debate in biology as to just what defines &#8220;life&#8221;).  But when you&#8217;re making a biological argument, you&#8217;re no longer making a Christian one, for though biologists can be Christians and Christians can be biologists, neither is a necessary criterion of the other.</p>
<p>But the premise of this thread, both Dr. Moore&#8217;s book and Trevin&#8217;s comments, is opposition to abortion as a Christian, moral imperative.  That can ONLY be done if and to the extent it&#8217;s supported in Scripture.  And there, I turn your question back to you, for I contend that Scripture only has authority to those who have accepted, first and foremost, the One whose authority is behind, above, and beyond Scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, we can make a biological argument against abortion.  Even without referring to Scripture, though that&#039;s never a bad idea.</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Martin</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/01/27/being-pro-life-in-a-culture-of-death-an-interview-with-russ-moore/#comment-3982</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was referring to Luke 4:18-19.

But if you&#039;re saying OT law shouldn&#039;t apply to nonbelievers, does that not work against the argument of trying to repeal Roe v. Wade?

The irritating thing about the Bible is that as soon as we get comfortable with our righteousness and the evil of the &quot;other guy,&quot; it comes and challenges us too.  At least it should. . .whether we prefer &quot;liberal&quot; or &quot;conservative&quot; causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was referring to Luke 4:18-19.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re saying OT law shouldn&#8217;t apply to nonbelievers, does that not work against the argument of trying to repeal Roe v. Wade?</p>
<p>The irritating thing about the Bible is that as soon as we get comfortable with our righteousness and the evil of the &#8220;other guy,&#8221; it comes and challenges us too.  At least it should. . .whether we prefer &#8220;liberal&#8221; or &#8220;conservative&#8221; causes.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when did Old Testament laws apply to nonbelievers?  Why should a secular government be held to the standards of the OT law?  For that matter, why should a Christian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when did Old Testament laws apply to nonbelievers?  Why should a secular government be held to the standards of the OT law?  For that matter, why should a Christian?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And please, let’s lose the term social justice. That word came in vogue during the 1960s when evangelicals were busy adopting neo-Marxism.&lt;/i&gt;

All right, why don&#039;t replace it with terms like these:  good news to the poor, release to the captives, sight to the blind, freedom for the oppressed, year of the Lord&#039;s favor (commonly understood to mean the O.T. concept of Jubilee, with debt cancellation among its commands).  I&#039;d say these concepts might predate the 60s by a teensy little bit, eh?  ;{)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And please, let’s lose the term social justice. That word came in vogue during the 1960s when evangelicals were busy adopting neo-Marxism.</i></p>
<p>All right, why don&#8217;t replace it with terms like these:  good news to the poor, release to the captives, sight to the blind, freedom for the oppressed, year of the Lord&#8217;s favor (commonly understood to mean the O.T. concept of Jubilee, with debt cancellation among its commands).  I&#8217;d say these concepts might predate the 60s by a teensy little bit, eh?  ;{)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/01/27/being-pro-life-in-a-culture-of-death-an-interview-with-russ-moore/#comment-3979</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reference to suffering in the third world, George W. Bush authorized more money for Africa than any president in history.  He was pro-life at home and abroad.  He just didn&#039;t brag about it.

And please, let&#039;s lose the term social justice.  That word came in vogue during the 1960s when evangelicals were busy adopting neo-Marxism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to suffering in the third world, George W. Bush authorized more money for Africa than any president in history.  He was pro-life at home and abroad.  He just didn&#8217;t brag about it.</p>
<p>And please, let&#8217;s lose the term social justice.  That word came in vogue during the 1960s when evangelicals were busy adopting neo-Marxism.</p>
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		<title>By: Muster Roll :: 1.28.09 &#171; Pages Left Unturned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muster Roll :: 1.28.09 &#171; Pages Left Unturned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Being Pro-Life in a Culture of Death What does being pro-life truly mean? &#8220;Christian churches must, as our Lord’s brother James commanded us, care for the widows and orphans in their distress. This means that God calls Christian families to adopt unwanted children. It means also that Christian families and churches are to shelter unwed mothers and pregnant women who find themselves in a time of crisis.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Being Pro-Life in a Culture of Death What does being pro-life truly mean? &#8220;Christian churches must, as our Lord’s brother James commanded us, care for the widows and orphans in their distress. This means that God calls Christian families to adopt unwanted children. It means also that Christian families and churches are to shelter unwed mothers and pregnant women who find themselves in a time of crisis.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yakn, I guess a good summary of my take on the war part of this could be seen if you inserted different phrases in your quote below, parenthasis are mine.

&quot;If one accepts that the unborn child (&#039;other&#039; people we make war on) is a human being, with all the dignity and worth that name implies, then abortion (lethal state sponsered violence) is murder and is unjust. Therefore, abortion is much more clearly (just as much) a pro-life issue than war spending.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yakn, I guess a good summary of my take on the war part of this could be seen if you inserted different phrases in your quote below, parenthasis are mine.</p>
<p>&#8220;If one accepts that the unborn child (&#8216;other&#8217; people we make war on) is a human being, with all the dignity and worth that name implies, then abortion (lethal state sponsered violence) is murder and is unjust. Therefore, abortion is much more clearly (just as much) a pro-life issue than war spending.&#8221;</p>
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