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		<title>By: Brian Wasicki</title>
		<link>http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/02/24/thoughts-on-the-neoreformed/#comment-4293</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Wasicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are never commanded to be nice. We are however, told to be loving and truthful. The problem is that both love and truth have been redefined as &quot;niceness&quot;.

Neo-reformed and proud of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are never commanded to be nice. We are however, told to be loving and truthful. The problem is that both love and truth have been redefined as &#8220;niceness&#8221;.</p>
<p>Neo-reformed and proud of it.</p>
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		<title>By: SWNID</title>
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		<dc:creator>SWNID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 02:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When he states something, Scot McKnight tends to overstate it. Nothing new in that.

But he&#039;s got a big point here. As a non-Calvinist who simply can&#039;t see the biblical basis or theological attraction for the dogma, I&#039;ve dealt all my life with condescending remarks about the seriousness of my faith or the sufficiency of my theological understanding. Those remarks used to bug me; as they persist, they bewilder me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When he states something, Scot McKnight tends to overstate it. Nothing new in that.</p>
<p>But he&#8217;s got a big point here. As a non-Calvinist who simply can&#8217;t see the biblical basis or theological attraction for the dogma, I&#8217;ve dealt all my life with condescending remarks about the seriousness of my faith or the sufficiency of my theological understanding. Those remarks used to bug me; as they persist, they bewilder me.</p>
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		<title>By: iMonk Classic: Riffs (02:18:09)—Scot Mcknight on the &#8220;Neo-Reformed&#8221; &#124; internetmonk.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMonk Classic: Riffs (02:18:09)—Scot Mcknight on the &#8220;Neo-Reformed&#8221; &#124; internetmonk.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 03:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: In the Blogosphere &#171; Kingdom People</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Trevin Wax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevin Wax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Good questions. I just answered them over at your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Good questions. I just answered them over at your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Trevin for this nuanced analysis of Scot&#039;s observations. I found your perspective very refreshing amid the cacophony of heated words exchanged between Calvinists and emerging/post-modern Christians in the blogosphere.

Like you, I&#039;m a big fan of Scot&#039;s work, but I think he overstates his case in this instance and applies a bit of double standard. At the same time, I give him a lot of credit for critiquing emerging-ites like McLaren, Bell and Burke when others within the movement will not.

The way I see it, Calvinists and Emergents can certainly drive each other crazy, but they both have some valid points from time to time. If we could find a way to de-escalate this family feud within evangelicalism, we&#039;d all be better off.

If you&#039;re interested, I came up with 5 questions for each group to consider. Scot was gracious enough to offer a response and I&#039;d love to hear yours.

http://thecommonloon.blogspot.com/2009/02/fued-rages-on-five-questions-for.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Trevin for this nuanced analysis of Scot&#8217;s observations. I found your perspective very refreshing amid the cacophony of heated words exchanged between Calvinists and emerging/post-modern Christians in the blogosphere.</p>
<p>Like you, I&#8217;m a big fan of Scot&#8217;s work, but I think he overstates his case in this instance and applies a bit of double standard. At the same time, I give him a lot of credit for critiquing emerging-ites like McLaren, Bell and Burke when others within the movement will not.</p>
<p>The way I see it, Calvinists and Emergents can certainly drive each other crazy, but they both have some valid points from time to time. If we could find a way to de-escalate this family feud within evangelicalism, we&#8217;d all be better off.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested, I came up with 5 questions for each group to consider. Scot was gracious enough to offer a response and I&#8217;d love to hear yours.</p>
<p><a href="http://thecommonloon.blogspot.com/2009/02/fued-rages-on-five-questions-for.html" rel="nofollow">http://thecommonloon.blogspot.com/2009/02/fued-rages-on-five-questions-for.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: pastor jim sharp</title>
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		<dc:creator>pastor jim sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thomas ... thank you for the alcorn quotes.  they resonate at some deeper part of me. thru this blog and the comments my zeal for God&#039;s glory in His absolute sovereignty has not diminished but i do believe i have been made more senstiive and, by the grace of God, will instruct others with greater gentleness. &quot;Thy gentleness hath made me great&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thomas &#8230; thank you for the alcorn quotes.  they resonate at some deeper part of me. thru this blog and the comments my zeal for God&#8217;s glory in His absolute sovereignty has not diminished but i do believe i have been made more senstiive and, by the grace of God, will instruct others with greater gentleness. &#8220;Thy gentleness hath made me great&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas,


  &quot; Full of grace and truth &quot;. We need both. Randy Alcorn has a good book called &quot; The Grace and Truth Paradox &quot;. Here are some relevant quotes.


           &#039; Truth without grace breeds a self righteous legalism that poisons the church and pushes the world away from Christ. Grace without truth breeds moral indifference and keeps people from seeing their need for Christ &#039;

           &#039; Most sinners loved being around Jesus. They enjoyed His company, sought Him out, invited Him to their homes and parties. Today most sinners don&#039;t want to be around Christians. Unbelievers tore off the roof to get to Jesus. Sometimes they crawl out the windows to get away from us! Why is that? What did Jesus show them that we don&#039;t? Grace. People sensed that Jesus loved them, even when He spoke difficult words. He was full of grace and truth. &#039;

           &#039; Somethings wrong if all unbelievers hate us. Somethings wrong if all unbelievers like us. If we accurately demonstrate grace and truth, some will be drawn to us and others will be offended by us- just as they were by Jesus.
        When we offend everybody, it&#039;s because we&#039;ve taken on the truth mantle without grace. When we offend nobody, it&#039;s because we&#039;ve watered down truth in the name of grace. &#039;

           &#039; When you stand for truth, you&#039;re held in contempt by some non-Christians ( and even some Christians). When you try to demonstrate grace, you&#039;re held in contempt by some Christians (and even some non-Christians). When you try to live by grace and truth, in some eyes you&#039;ll be too radical, in other eyes not radical enough &#039;.

           &#039; Truth without grace breeds self righteousness and crushing legalism. Grace without truth breeds deception and moral compromise &#039;.
                                                                                  - Randy Alcorn



          I think we should becareful of trying to shape Jesus into our own image or in the image of our favorite preacher or pastor or theologian or some other personality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>  &#8221; Full of grace and truth &#8220;. We need both. Randy Alcorn has a good book called &#8221; The Grace and Truth Paradox &#8220;. Here are some relevant quotes.</p>
<p>           &#8216; Truth without grace breeds a self righteous legalism that poisons the church and pushes the world away from Christ. Grace without truth breeds moral indifference and keeps people from seeing their need for Christ &#8216;</p>
<p>           &#8216; Most sinners loved being around Jesus. They enjoyed His company, sought Him out, invited Him to their homes and parties. Today most sinners don&#8217;t want to be around Christians. Unbelievers tore off the roof to get to Jesus. Sometimes they crawl out the windows to get away from us! Why is that? What did Jesus show them that we don&#8217;t? Grace. People sensed that Jesus loved them, even when He spoke difficult words. He was full of grace and truth. &#8216;</p>
<p>           &#8216; Somethings wrong if all unbelievers hate us. Somethings wrong if all unbelievers like us. If we accurately demonstrate grace and truth, some will be drawn to us and others will be offended by us- just as they were by Jesus.<br />
        When we offend everybody, it&#8217;s because we&#8217;ve taken on the truth mantle without grace. When we offend nobody, it&#8217;s because we&#8217;ve watered down truth in the name of grace. &#8216;</p>
<p>           &#8216; When you stand for truth, you&#8217;re held in contempt by some non-Christians ( and even some Christians). When you try to demonstrate grace, you&#8217;re held in contempt by some Christians (and even some non-Christians). When you try to live by grace and truth, in some eyes you&#8217;ll be too radical, in other eyes not radical enough &#8216;.</p>
<p>           &#8216; Truth without grace breeds self righteousness and crushing legalism. Grace without truth breeds deception and moral compromise &#8216;.<br />
                                                                                  &#8211; Randy Alcorn</p>
<p>          I think we should becareful of trying to shape Jesus into our own image or in the image of our favorite preacher or pastor or theologian or some other personality.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevin, I&#039;m happy for you that in your own experiences you &quot;have yet to come across anyone who thinks the gospel can be equated with ”double predestination.”&quot; Nor do you &quot;know of any Reformed individuals (whether leaders or followers) who want to put a fence around the evangelical “village green” and kick everyone else to the curb.&quot; Nor do you think that there is a large number of complementarians out there who view their position as the very center of orthodoxy.&quot; (I guess you were spared the experience of going to my Reformed seminary.)

Some of the rest of us have not been so lucky. I&#039;m sure most Neo-reformed if pressed will deny that these caricatured beliefs apply to them. However if you watch their life, practice, emphasis, rhetoric, emotional energy, etc. . . it&#039;s hard to say these issues aren&#039;t central for them to the point of being a &quot;necessary condition&quot; for salvation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevin, I&#8217;m happy for you that in your own experiences you &#8220;have yet to come across anyone who thinks the gospel can be equated with ”double predestination.”&#8221; Nor do you &#8220;know of any Reformed individuals (whether leaders or followers) who want to put a fence around the evangelical “village green” and kick everyone else to the curb.&#8221; Nor do you think that there is a large number of complementarians out there who view their position as the very center of orthodoxy.&#8221; (I guess you were spared the experience of going to my Reformed seminary.)</p>
<p>Some of the rest of us have not been so lucky. I&#8217;m sure most Neo-reformed if pressed will deny that these caricatured beliefs apply to them. However if you watch their life, practice, emphasis, rhetoric, emotional energy, etc. . . it&#8217;s hard to say these issues aren&#8217;t central for them to the point of being a &#8220;necessary condition&#8221; for salvation.</p>
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		<title>By: What is going on with this NeoReformed? &#171; Gospel-Centered Musings</title>
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		<dc:creator>What is going on with this NeoReformed? &#171; Gospel-Centered Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 06:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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