Comments on: Do We Know What Jesus Said? http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/03/31/do-we-know-what-jesus-said/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=do-we-know-what-jesus-said Kingdom People - Living on Earth as Citizens of Heaven Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:38:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nailtothedoor » Blog Archive » A new book I have to read. . . http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/03/31/do-we-know-what-jesus-said/#comment-4520 Nailtothedoor » Blog Archive » A new book I have to read. . . Tue, 24 May 2011 16:38:47 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=3017#comment-4520 [...] Wax has just posted a new review on his blog . It’s Lost In Transmission?: What We Can Know About the Words of Jesus, by Nick [...] [...] Wax has just posted a new review on his blog . It’s Lost In Transmission?: What We Can Know About the Words of Jesus, by Nick [...]

]]> By: Kingdom People - April 2009 « Kingdom People http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/03/31/do-we-know-what-jesus-said/#comment-4519 Kingdom People - April 2009 « Kingdom People Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:18:32 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=3017#comment-4519 [...] Unfashionable - Tullian Tchividjian Lost and Found - Ed Stetzer Introducing Paul - Michael Bird Lost in Transmission? What We Can Know about the Words of Jesus - Nick Perrin Fasting - Scot McKnight The God I Don’t Understand - Christopher Wright The Gospel of the [...] [...] Unfashionable – Tullian Tchividjian Lost and Found – Ed Stetzer Introducing Paul – Michael Bird Lost in Transmission? What We Can Know about the Words of Jesus – Nick Perrin Fasting – Scot McKnight The God I Don’t Understand – Christopher Wright The Gospel of the [...]

]]> By: Richard W. Wilson http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/03/31/do-we-know-what-jesus-said/#comment-4514 Richard W. Wilson Sun, 05 Apr 2009 08:26:52 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=3017#comment-4514 How ironic it seems to me that in a discussion of the importance of seeing and knowing Jesus in his historical context that Trevin focusses his intro not just on the Evangelically obviously unhistorical fictional work of Dan Brown but also the unhistorical trilemma of C S Lewis. N T Wright has dismissed the latter (as well as the former) as unhistorical, and I think he is right. Claiming to be the Son of God is not equivalent to claiming to be YHWH, THE LORD. This is not to say that the Apostles didn't make the claim that he was The Lord's agent of and Lord of Creation, but the specifically Jewish biblical and historical context of the manifestation and incarnation of the Son of God would inherently prohibit the human Messiah from claiming to be God (the ahistorical C S Lewis and Athenasius notwithstanding) even while acknowledging that he was the Son of God. Historically speaking, being the Son of God is not equivalent to being God the Son. If the historical Jesus actually and explicitly claimed to be Yahweh he would rightly have been convicted of human sin (what other kind is there?). Historically speaking, having Jewish interlocutors or authorities charge Jesus with saying he was claiming to be equal to God the Father is not the same as Jesus claiming he was; in contrast Jesus himself said "my Father is greater than all," and that can't logically or biblically be equivalent to claiming to be equal to God, which he doesn't say. I don't think we can take Jesus' Jewishness seriously and adopt wholesale much of what has come down to us as orthodoxly christian, doctrinally or ethically--we have agendas and commitments far removed from those of the historical Jesus, or so it seems to me. How ironic it seems to me that in a discussion of the importance of seeing and knowing Jesus in his historical context that Trevin focusses his intro not just on the Evangelically obviously unhistorical fictional work of Dan Brown but also the unhistorical trilemma of C S Lewis. N T Wright has dismissed the latter (as well as the former) as unhistorical, and I think he is right. Claiming to be the Son of God is not equivalent to claiming to be YHWH, THE LORD. This is not to say that the Apostles didn’t make the claim that he was The Lord’s agent of and Lord of Creation, but the specifically Jewish biblical and historical context of the manifestation and incarnation of the Son of God would inherently prohibit the human Messiah from claiming to be God (the ahistorical C S Lewis and Athenasius notwithstanding) even while acknowledging that he was the Son of God. Historically speaking, being the Son of God is not equivalent to being God the Son. If the historical Jesus actually and explicitly claimed to be Yahweh he would rightly have been convicted of human sin (what other kind is there?). Historically speaking, having Jewish interlocutors or authorities charge Jesus with saying he was claiming to be equal to God the Father is not the same as Jesus claiming he was; in contrast Jesus himself said “my Father is greater than all,” and that can’t logically or biblically be equivalent to claiming to be equal to God, which he doesn’t say. I don’t think we can take Jesus’ Jewishness seriously and adopt wholesale much of what has come down to us as orthodoxly christian, doctrinally or ethically–we have agendas and commitments far removed from those of the historical Jesus, or so it seems to me.

]]> By: Nick Perrin Interview « RearViewMirror http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/03/31/do-we-know-what-jesus-said/#comment-4515 Nick Perrin Interview « RearViewMirror Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:36:36 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=3017#comment-4515 [...] Perrin teaches New Testament at Wheaton College and was research assistant to N. T. Wright. I read this book over Christmas and really enjoyed it. Trevin Wax also reviewed the book here. [...] [...] Perrin teaches New Testament at Wheaton College and was research assistant to N. T. Wright. I read this book over Christmas and really enjoyed it. Trevin Wax also reviewed the book here. [...]

]]> By: Jesus is His Own Ideology: An Interview with Nick Perrin « Kingdom People http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/03/31/do-we-know-what-jesus-said/#comment-4518 Jesus is His Own Ideology: An Interview with Nick Perrin « Kingdom People Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:34:45 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=3017#comment-4518 [...] with Nick Perrin Filed under: Interviews, Jesus — Trevin Wax @ 3:33 am Yesterday, I reviewed a recent book by Nicholas Perrin entitled Lost In Transmission?: What We Can Know About the Words [...] [...] with Nick Perrin Filed under: Interviews, Jesus — Trevin Wax @ 3:33 am Yesterday, I reviewed a recent book by Nicholas Perrin entitled Lost In Transmission?: What We Can Know About the Words [...]

]]> By: Trevin Wax http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/03/31/do-we-know-what-jesus-said/#comment-4517 Trevin Wax Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:11:09 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=3017#comment-4517 Dan, Stay tuned. Tomorrow my interview with Nick will be posted! Dan,

Stay tuned. Tomorrow my interview with Nick will be posted!

]]> By: Dan Martin http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2009/03/31/do-we-know-what-jesus-said/#comment-4516 Dan Martin Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:58:56 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=3017#comment-4516 Thank you for sharing this, Trevin. I'm going to point to your article from my blog, though unfortunately Blogger and Wordpress do not play nicely together in showing the trackback. You have just given me a new book for my reading list. Thank you for sharing this, Trevin. I’m going to point to your article from my blog, though unfortunately Blogger and WordPress do not play nicely together in showing the trackback. You have just given me a new book for my reading list.

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