Comments on: GCR in a Nutshell http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gcr-in-a-nutshell Kingdom People - Living on Earth as Citizens of Heaven Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:22:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rene http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6603 Rene Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:29:30 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6603 I appreciate the simplicity in the way you have summarized everything. It's so hard to follow all the talk that has gone on for so long. What continues to puzzle me at times is the selection of the people on these study groups. It seems we have these guys from huge churches,etc. While I believe them to be well intentioned and have a desire to following God's direction.... why do we not see people from these pioneer areas on a task force such as this? Would it not be wise to involve people in a task force or study group who are living it now? Just a thought. I appreciate the simplicity in the way you have summarized everything. It’s so hard to follow all the talk that has gone on for so long. What continues to puzzle me at times is the selection of the people on these study groups. It seems we have these guys from huge churches,etc. While I believe them to be well intentioned and have a desire to following God’s direction…. why do we not see people from these pioneer areas on a task force such as this? Would it not be wise to involve people in a task force or study group who are living it now? Just a thought.

]]> By: Paul Russell http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6602 Paul Russell Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:28:11 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6602 My recent post was in reply to Tom's post on June 2. I thought it would indicate that, but it didn't. My recent post was in reply to Tom’s post on June 2. I thought it would indicate that, but it didn’t.

]]> By: Paul Russell http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6601 Paul Russell Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:27:14 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6601 That's been the problem in recent years that has led us to this point. Those who have reduced their CP giving have done so because they don't see the way in which many "good" things we fund are helping us impact lostness. Until we change some of the things we do that are supported through the CP, I'm afraid many will continue to direct their GC dollars elsewhere. That’s been the problem in recent years that has led us to this point. Those who have reduced their CP giving have done so because they don’t see the way in which many “good” things we fund are helping us impact lostness. Until we change some of the things we do that are supported through the CP, I’m afraid many will continue to direct their GC dollars elsewhere.

]]> By: Mick http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6600 Mick Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:20:37 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6600 Kevin, it seems reasonable to have a study on combining both the IMB and the NAMB. Because there seems to be an overlapping of needs and efforts. Within that combination, build in a grace program that would help any current employee should their jobs be an overage as a result of the combining of the two programs. I appreciate your balanced survey. Kevin, it seems reasonable to have a study on combining both the IMB and the NAMB. Because there seems to be an overlapping of needs and efforts.

Within that combination, build in a grace program that would help any current employee should their jobs be an overage as a result of the combining of the two programs.

I appreciate your balanced survey.

]]> By: Richard W. Luebbert http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6599 Richard W. Luebbert Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:23:00 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6599 Thank you for a succinct and good analysis of the GCR report. I regret that there is nothing in the report about sudying missions. There is nothing in the report about praying for missions and missionaries. There is much about church giving to CP, but nothing about how to motivate individual church members to give more and how to motivate churches to send increases in giving to CP. There is nothing about going across the fence, or going across the street, or going across town to do missions. We need to help people in our churches to understand that they are missionaries, or, they are mission fields. Richard W. Luebbert Thank you for a succinct and good analysis of the GCR report. I regret that there is nothing in the report about sudying missions. There is nothing in the report about praying for missions and missionaries. There is much about church giving to CP, but nothing about how to motivate individual church members to give more and how to motivate churches to send increases in giving to CP. There is nothing about going across the fence, or going across the street, or going across town to do missions.
We need to help people in our churches to understand that they are missionaries, or, they are mission fields. Richard W. Luebbert

]]> By: Roger Lee http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6598 Roger Lee Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:18:08 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6598 I am in great agreement with the concept of needed change in the way we do business in the SBC. I am in great agreement in the way we allocate the money in SBC life. I was raised in Mississippi, graduated from Blue Mountain College in 1983 and have since spent the majority of my ministry in what would be called the pioneer areas. I do not see the GCR as the way of leading the local church to see revival and renewal. While I appreciate the intention of the task force and the work accomplished I do not believe it addresses the most pressing needs. For example, the issue of Great Commission Giving is already addressed in the existing ACP (Annual Church Profile). There is a line item that asks about "Total Mission Giving." If we were concerned about the money we give to the mission effort this line oitem would suffice. Maybe there is something else the task force is seeking. If Southern Baptists were truly concerned about reaching the pioneer areas maybe it would be prudent to relocate NAMB from the heart of the SBC to somewhere like Omaha and staff it with people who have dedicated their lives to reaching those in the pioneer areas. One scenario regarding the removal of the Cooperative Agreements involves the removal of all the DOM's in Iowa and the director of Evangelism and the Mission Director. How ironic. Pioneer mission areas depend upon the Cooperative Agreements. The GCR does not address the process after the removal of the agreements. The reason for the report was honorable. If obedience to the Great Commission is the desired outcome this report does not get to where we need to be. Change begins in the heart of the people not how we count money. Revival begins with the proclamation of God's Word, not the reorganization of structure. The structure is only the conduit for the power that flows through it. Change begins with the people of God seeking the heart of God, the abandonment of sin and the obedience of God's people to God's will. RDL I am in great agreement with the concept of needed change in the way we do business in the SBC. I am in great agreement in the way we allocate the money in SBC life. I was raised in Mississippi, graduated from Blue Mountain College in 1983 and have since spent the majority of my ministry in what would be called the pioneer areas.

I do not see the GCR as the way of leading the local church to see revival and renewal. While I appreciate the intention of the task force and the work accomplished I do not believe it addresses the most pressing needs.

For example, the issue of Great Commission Giving is already addressed in the existing ACP (Annual Church Profile). There is a line item that asks about “Total Mission Giving.” If we were concerned about the money we give to the mission effort this line oitem would suffice. Maybe there is something else the task force is seeking.

If Southern Baptists were truly concerned about reaching the pioneer areas maybe it would be prudent to relocate NAMB from the heart of the SBC to somewhere like Omaha and staff it with people who have dedicated their lives to reaching those in the pioneer areas.

One scenario regarding the removal of the Cooperative Agreements involves the removal of all the DOM’s in Iowa and the director of Evangelism and the Mission Director. How ironic. Pioneer mission areas depend upon the Cooperative Agreements. The GCR does not address the process after the removal of the agreements.

The reason for the report was honorable. If obedience to the Great Commission is the desired outcome this report does not get to where we need to be. Change begins in the heart of the people not how we count money. Revival begins with the proclamation of God’s Word, not the reorganization of structure. The structure is only the conduit for the power that flows through it.

Change begins with the people of God seeking the heart of God, the abandonment of sin and the obedience of God’s people to God’s will.

RDL

]]> By: Daniel Stammann http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6597 Daniel Stammann Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:46:40 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6597 Good and fair presentation of a complex subject. You have brought integrity and clearity to this issue. The real question is that of underlying agendas behind the recommendations. Prayer and discernment is needed by all. You have helped our cause. Good and fair presentation of a complex subject. You have brought integrity and clearity to this issue. The real question is that of underlying agendas behind the recommendations. Prayer and discernment is needed by all. You have helped our cause.

]]> By: Morris Brooks http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6596 Morris Brooks Sat, 05 Jun 2010 03:48:13 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6596 Tom, My question also. In many ways the GCR does not go far enough in addressing changes to keep the SBC viable. Tom,

My question also. In many ways the GCR does not go far enough in addressing changes to keep the SBC viable.

]]> By: Tim Rogers http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6595 Tim Rogers Thu, 03 Jun 2010 09:39:07 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6595 Brother Trevin, Good word and fair analysis. I must not be hearing from as many as you are hearing from. You have provided me with more debate fodder than I was aware was out there. I knew that other components were resisted but I have only heard Component #3 being the main sticking point. I honestly believe, and have an article over at SBC Today explaining such, if the GCRTF will remove the Great Commission Giving aspect of this report the convention is united on the report. Will there be those who still oppose it? Certainly, we are Baptist. However, instead of a 60/40 support level, I believe the removal of that one component will raise the support level to 80% going into the convention. Blessings, Tim Brother Trevin,

Good word and fair analysis. I must not be hearing from as many as you are hearing from. You have provided me with more debate fodder than I was aware was out there. I knew that other components were resisted but I have only heard Component #3 being the main sticking point. I honestly believe, and have an article over at SBC Today explaining such, if the GCRTF will remove the Great Commission Giving aspect of this report the convention is united on the report. Will there be those who still oppose it? Certainly, we are Baptist. However, instead of a 60/40 support level, I believe the removal of that one component will raise the support level to 80% going into the convention.

Blessings,
Tim

]]> By: Rev. Ken Furches http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2010/06/02/gcr-in-a-nutshell/#comment-6594 Rev. Ken Furches Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:12:53 +0000 http://trevinwax.com/?p=6142#comment-6594 Thank you for this article. This is the best information I have found up to this point on this matter. I am pointing my SBC friends to this article. Ken Thank you for this article. This is the best information I have found up to this point on this matter. I am pointing my SBC friends to this article.

Ken

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