Comments on: Sexual Freedom Always Curtails Other Freedoms

By: Bruce

Bruce — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:02:10 +0000

Logical fallacy 1:
Even Christians who believe certain sexual activities (adultery, sex before marriage, homosexuality) to be morally wrong often grant the assumption that people ought to be free in their sexual decisions…. The moment we celebrate or endorse certain behaviors….”
So, being libertarian means celebrating and endorsing certain behaviors? No, you’re clearly trying to bash libertarian Christians by implying they celebrate and endorse sin.

Logical fallacy 2:
“The moment we celebrate or endorse certain behaviors, we curtail freedom in other areas. This is the nature of freedom…. As society has rushed to embrace homosexual behavior, the normal bonds of friendship between men have been curtailed.”
You completely ignore the fact that Europe is far more “tolerant” of alternative lifestyles than America, and yet two men holding hands or sharing a bed is nothing there.

By: Willy Mzenga

Willy Mzenga — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:07:07 +0000

Trevin, that is some great insight. I have never looked at this issue in the way you articulated it in your article. Thank you for the new perspective.

By: Jon

Jon — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:28:21 +0000

One time, on a mission trip to South Africa, a grown man and friend tried to hold my hand. At first, I freaked out and pulled my hand away. Later, I realized that’s normal between heterosexual friends in that culture, and that my gesture was offensive. An equivalent would be not shaking a friend’s hand upon greeting.

Now, I’m secure being a friend who hugs his close guy friends. We often tell each other, “I love you…” proceeded by “…, bro, man or dude.” Also, it’s common for us to honor the other with words of encouragement and praise, i.e., “You mean a lot to me. I don’t know who or where I’d be without you, etc.”

The Apostle Paul wasn’t scared with some affection, neither am I with those God has placed on this journey with me.

By: Annie

Annie — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 14:01:05 +0000

Excellent point Mary. I am amazed you were the only one to point this out.

By: Annie

Annie — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 13:58:17 +0000

I applaude your articulate and courageous post Trevin. The first link “openly affectionate” (by Anthony M. Esolen) , was probably the best explaination on this hot button topic I have ever encountered.

Thank you for being willing to wade into the fray and battle against the flow of culture. You are opening eyes and minds, so keep up the good work.

By: Mary

Mary — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:29:29 +0000

The problem is that the homosexuals will not leave Christians alone. They will force us to accept their behavior or else. They aren’t a live and let live group of people. They will force their will on us and make it a crime to speak out against the sin of homosexuality. Do we shut up and go along or do we stand for the Truth that is Christ Jesus and the Holy Bible come what may?

By: John

John — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 02:06:46 +0000

“I’m not convinced society needs men that emulate magical hobbits from a childrens’ book. Your point is still valid. I just wish you wouldn’t have used hobbits as your example.”

Do you realize that the friendship among Sam and Frodo was based on the friends the author experienced in the trenches of WW1? Just because they’re hobbits doesn’t mean they are written as “real” characters. The example is, in fact, an excellent one.

Furthermore, I would argue that your revulsion is in itself probably proof of the point Trevin is making.

Grace,
John

By: Mark G

Mark G — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 18:10:39 +0000

I read in David McCullouch’s book “John Adams” that John Adams and I think it was Ben Franklin slept in the same bed in an inn when they travelled together. That was common practice and there was nothing homosexual about it. They weren’t staying at the Marriott.

My brother inlaw is Italian and they’re always hugging everyone.

In some of my foreign travels I’ve seen women nursing their babies in public and there’s nothing sexual about it. Here some people act as if nursing, even if done discretely, is gross or perverse.

We live in a weird messed up culture where innocent behavior is considered perverse and perversion is acceptable.

By: allend

allend — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 18:06:29 +0000

Give lord of the rings a read. I think Sam and Frodo’s relationship is a great example of manly friendships (I call them manships). The movies don’t capture this very well.

By: Gary

Gary — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 16:33:04 +0000

If you find hugging another man “repulsive”, you have some very large problems indeed…
when (hmmm…”if”) you get to heaven and Jesus wants to hug you, are you going to tell Him “no” cause you think He’s “creepy”??
and clearly he wasn’t referring to magical hobbitts, he was referring to true friendship which is obvious you wouldn’t get…