Nov

19

2012

Tullian Tchividjian|9:30 am CT

Are Christians Totally Depraved?

Believe it or not, this is an important question. It’s not simply a theological question. It’s a theological question that has profound practical implications. Our answer will inevitably reveal our understanding of the gospel and reflect our understanding of sin and grace.

First things first: what total depravity isn’t.

Total depravity does not mean “utter depravity.” Utter depravity means that someone is as bad as he/she can possibly be. Thankfully, God’s restraining grace keeps even the worst of us from being utterly depraved. The worst people who have ever lived could’ve been worse. So, don’t read “utter depravity” into “total depravity.”

Well, if total depravity isn’t utter depravity, then what is it? As understood and articulated by theologians for centuries, the idea of “total depravity” means more than one thing.

On the one hand, total depravity affirms that we are all born “dead in our trespasses and sins” (Ephesians 2:1-3; Colossians 2:13), with no spiritual capacity to incline ourselves Godward. We do not come into this world spiritually neutral; we come into this world spiritually dead. Therefore, we need much more than to reach out from our spiritual hospital bed and take medicine that God offers. We need to be raised from death to life. In this sense, total depravity means we are “totally unable” to go to God. We will not because we cannot, and we cannot because we’re dead.

None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one. (Romans 3:10-12)

For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (Romans 8:7-8)

Salvation only happens when God comes to us.

When the Resurrection and the Life says “Lazarus, come forth”, the rest of the story does not depend on Lazarus. He can drag his feet all the way-admittedly, a hell of a thing to do-but he rises, no matter what. He just plain does… Jesus came to raise the dead. The only qualification for the gift of the Gospel is to be dead. You don’t have to be smart. You don’t have to be good. You don’t have to be wise. You don’t have to be wonderful. You just have to be dead. That’s it. (Robert Capon)

So, in the sense above, Christians are obviously not totally depraved. We who were dead have been made alive.

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus…(Ephesians 2:4-6)

But once God regenerates us by his Spirit, draws us to himself, unites us to Christ, raises us from the dead, and grants us status as adopted sons and daughters, is there any sense in which we can speak of Christian’s being totally depraved?

Yes.

Theologians speak of total depravity, not only in terms of “total inability” to come to God on our own because we’re spiritually dead, but also in terms of sin’s effect: sin corrupts us in the “totality” of our being. Our minds are affected by sin. Our hearts are affected by sin. Our wills are affected by sin. Our bodies are affected by sin. This is at the heart of Paul’s internal struggle that he articulates in Romans 7:

For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.

The painful struggle that Paul gives voice to arises from his condition as simul justus et peccator (simultaneously justified and sinful). He has been raised from the dead and is now alive to Christ, but remaining sin continues to plague him at every level and in every way.

Paul’s testimony demonstrates that even after God saves us, there is no part of us that becomes sin free–we remain sinful and imperfect in all of our capacities, in the “totality” of our being. Even after God saves us, our thoughts, words, motives, deeds, and affections need the constant cleansing of Christ’s blood and the forgiveness that comes our way for free. This is what J.C. Ryle was getting at when he wrote, “Even the best things we do have something in them to be pardoned.”

While it is gloriously true for the Christian that there is nowhere Christ has not arrived by his Spirit, it is equally true that there is no part of any Christian in this life that is free of sin. Because of the totality of sins effect, therefore, we never outgrow our need for Christ’s finished work on our behalf–we never graduate beyond our desperate need for Christ’s righteousness and his strong and perfect blood-soaked plea “before the throne of God above.”

The reason this is so important is because we will always be suspicious of grace (“yes grace, but…”) until we realize our desperate need for it. Our dire need for God’s grace doesn’t get smaller after God saves us. In one sense, it actually gets bigger. Christian growth, says the Apostle Peter, is always “growth into grace”, not away from it. Many Christians think that becoming sanctified means that we become stronger and stronger, more and more competent. And although we would never say it this way, we Christian’s sometimes give the impression that sanctification is growth beyond our need for Jesus and his finished work for us: we needed Jesus a lot for justification; we need him less for sanctification.

The truth is, however, that Christian growth and progress involves coming to the realization of just how weak and incompetent we continue to be and how strong and competent Jesus continues to be for us. Spiritual maturity is not marked by our growing, independent fitness. Rather, it’s marked by our growing dependence on Christ’s fitness for us. Because we are daily sinners, we need God’s daily distributions of free grace that come our way as a result of Christ’s finished work. Christian growth involves believing and embracing the fact that, even as a Christian, you’re worse than you think you are but that God’s grace toward you in Christ is much bigger than you could ever imagine.

Because of total depravity, you and I were desperate for God’s grace before we were saved. Because of total depravity, you and I remain desperate for God’s grace even after we’re saved.

Thankfully, though our sin reaches far, God’s grace reaches infinitely farther.

97 Comments

  1. Walter Flach, Geneva-CH

    50 blogs. So much confusion. So much contradiction. So much “I know better than you.” Are you all PhDs of theology? Do you have to prove yourselves? Rather meditate on 1 Cor. 13:12 and you will stop this futility.Focus on John 6:28-29 and know GOD is GOD and you are not!

  2. Walter Flach, Geneva-CH

    Sorry, 50 blogs shoud read 50 comments.

  3. Walter, the word of God is rich with available truth for anyone with a teachable heart, who walks in the Spirit and studies. PhD not required. Paul revealed previously hidden mysteries, and our union with Christ is one great revealed mystery. (Col 1:27) yet one day all will be revealed and we will know even as we are known.

    Regarding the fall, there would have been no death had Adam not sinned. That is plain. And yes, he began to die physically like us, but not when he was born (like us), but rather, the moment he sinned and died spiritually. There is a tiny bit of deduction here, since the Bible does not say verbatim that he died spiritually that moment, but in essence it does in the discussion of Romans 5. Condemnation came to all men when Adam sinned, and that condemnation included the deadness that every human contains the moment they are born. They are all part of that set that Paul refers to in Eph 2 when he says, “and you were dead in your trespasses and sins…” That set includes Adam’s first child, Cain. Adam was a dead man, fathering dead children, just as every unsaved man does today!

  4. Scott, Nowhere in Romans 5 does Paul say that the spirit died rather that death entered the world through sin, when Adam chose to reject God and go his own way. Your reading that into the Scripture through a Calvinistic eisegesis. As you point out, the moment that Adam sinned he started to die – physically and 930 years later he croaked. The gift of God is life eternal, now and forever.

    Since this will be final comment on this thread I’ll put it as plainly as possible – this total depravity doctrine is a hideous distortion of Scripture that paints a picture of a monstrous God and cannot be supported logically or with proper exegetical understanding. It has been refuted for centuries. Ask yourself where in Scripture does God tell us to be so self-loathing? Repentance does not require that we hate our nature but that we hate what is evil (Romans 12:9), especially when God says we were made in his image and “very good.” Yes we reject God prior to salvation, yes we need Christ to complete us, but that doesn’t mean we were dead with no way to approach God’s perpetual offer of grace, until we harden ourselves against it and God says have it your way. One of my first comments here was that this doctrine is useless to the Gospel and the Kingdom of God. The reason it is is that the total depravity argument is what in Greek is called Ignoratio elenchi, meaning it fails to address the issue in question. The issue for all disciples of Christ is how do I make disciples and glorify Christ. To the work of God it makes no difference whether one is dead spiritually or total depraved because we cannot know what we do not know nor what the Scriptures do not tell us clearly about our condition before we came to the knowledge of his glory in Christ. Attempting to support the total depravity doctrine is simply pointless mental gymnastics. What we can know is that once I was lost and now I’m found, was blind but now I see – thank you Jesus. Shame on Tullian for suggesting that “Because of total depravity, you and I remain desperate for God’s grace even after we’re saved” What utter nonsense. You best do a study of all that Christ has done for you if you buy that line as you have been given fullness in Christ (Col 2:10). Now we just need to start living like it – through his mercy, by his grace and in his love.

    Happy Thanksgiving and shalom.

  5. Thanks, Brian. As I said, Romans 5 doesn’t say that in so many words. What we do know clearly is that, according to Eph 2, God says all are dead, and only saints are alive. You can decide when you think Adam died. You might be more comfortable with “total deadness” than with “total depravity” :)

    And I am with you on the error of not embracing the glory of the new creation, the saint, the one Paul says in Romans 6 is “obedient FROM THE HEART,” a “slave of righteousness,” the one who has, in fact, been placed in vital union with Christ the Vine!

    Happy Thanksgiving.

  6. One of MANY decisive statements by Paul that seals the deal about the absence of depravity in saints and the reality of their glorious union is this one: “…YOU are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit.” Time to celebrate the truth of what it really means to be IN Christ. The problem is the flesh, and Col 2:11 says we “…WERE circumcised …by putting off the body of the flesh…”

  7. Tullian: “Although we would never say it this way, we Christian’s sometimes give the impression that sanctification is growth beyond our need for Jesus and his finished work for us: we needed Jesus a lot for justification; we need him less for sanctification.”

    This is a powerful diagnosis of the human condition and tendency to avoid grace at all costs. I am convicted by the phrase “beyond our need for Jesus.” How the lingering effects of sin continue to attempt to steal the glory of God by minimizing the grace of our Lord!

  8. I don’t know about you, but my will hasn’t been the too good in showing that I am converted. In fact, my will is what I need to be converted ‘from’.

    God’s will. That is where our conversion starts…and is finished.

  9. Unfortunately, some Christians still hold to this false and crippling theology, that is described in this article, and find in it a sub-conscience excuse and a justification for a sinful life.

    As a Christian, I am saved by grace but I am not a sinner anymore. Jesus’ work on the cross was powerful enough to SET ME FREE. Sin ought to be an exception in the Christians life. 1 John teaches clearly that I am either in darkness or in the light, not both. I’m either lost and in sin, or saved and free from it.

  10. Josh, you are spot-on. It is interesting that books like Con Campbell’s 480 page work on union with Christ has just been spotlighted on the Desiring God site. My reformed brethren are going to see the sun set on a sub-biblical view of the man IN Christ, and the sun will rise to further illumine Paul’s mystery. In the process, there will be a cleaning up of confusion about false notions and false concerns about things like sinless perfection, passivity, gnosticism (especially the false idea that matter is evil), “positional truth,” and lack of responsibility for sin.

  11. Mitchell Hammonds

    Josh and Scott if you still sin you are still sinful. I promise you both… you still sin. The christian life is a struggle between the 2 realities of “being free from sin” = the spiritual new creation and the “flesh” = sold out to sin (Romans 7). Read your Bibles not your false assumptions about how “fixed” you think you are.

  12. Ahhhhh, Mitchell! I sin a lot!…but not like I used to, and (watch this, my friend, because you will savor it one day:) I sin only as much as Paul did when he said, (count ‘em) TWICE in four verses, “it is NO LONGER I who sins…!) Munch on that a bit as you chew your turkey, and have an awesome day!

    Scott

    “In your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore.”-Psalm 16:11

  13. And Mitchell, I want you to read, too…Count how many times Paul says, in other words in Romans 6-8, what he exactly says in 8:9–”YOU are NOT in the flesh!” Note, he didn’t say you are in the Spirit AND in the flesh! Strip off your categories and exegete it!

  14. Mitchell Hammonds… we do have struggles, temptations, and even failures, yes. But the christian life, as you call it, is a love-relaiontship with Jesus Christ. 1 John 3:6 is pretty clear on our condition when we are in such a relationship with our Savior.

    God wants to us to mature and become more and more like Jesus in everything we do. If ‘total depravity’ were legitimate and biblical, then there would be no hope for us in that regard. It certainly is not about how “fixed” i think i am (as you put it). Sin is the voluntary rebellion against Yahweh and His truth. Sin is a rebellious and selfish choice to reject God’s just and loving authority to live lawlessly for self.

    I am either in relationship with Jesus or I am not. I either live for myself or for Him. It’s all about ultimate intentions, it’s all about the roots and where I am rooted in…

  15. Mitchell Hammonds

    I’m not arguing the case that I’m a new creation… but all accounts in my daily life say something different. I know what Paul says and I agree. But the old sin nature still hangs with us. Relentlessly! My argument is in the way you and Josh state your case… as if you do not sin because you are “in the light.” Again I agree with the statement but I won’t agree with the presumptive way in which you present this reality. Righteousness is a life of “faith” with small glimpses into who we really are. Right now though the evidence is against us that this is true. We know because we are told so by Paul and the other writers of Scripture.

  16. Yes, Mitchell, it is against our eyes, only enjoyed by faith, but it is nonetheless true! I think one simple distinction is to see that what many erroneously call the “old nature,” (a term Paul never uses), Paul calls the FLESH. NIV unfortunately confuses. The only time Paul uses “nature” is when in Eph 2 he says “you WERE by nature….”

  17. We know it is our ‘nature’. Read the first few chapters of Romans. Paul does not have to use the word itself for us to see what he means. The word Trinity in not in the Bible, either.

    We have a sin nature. It started when we were in the womb. “In sin my mother conceived me”.

    We are both sinners and saints.

    Sinners by fact. And saints by faith.

  18. Steve, my point was that Paul DOES use the word nature, and he says we WERE (past tense, and the sentence implies we no longer are) by nature, “children of wrath, even as the rest.” (Eph 2:3 NASB) Paul never refers to his hearers as sinners. He calls them what they/we are: saints. By the way, people don’t HAVE a nature; they ARE somebody. Paul says we WERE by nature children of the evil one. Now we have literally been born a second time. We are God’s offspring. We are new creatures, “the old things passed away, BEHOLD (reformed brothers, please behold!), new things have come.” (II Cor 5:17)

    Romans 6-8 is Paul’s incredible, detailed explanation of that simple verse (II Cor 5:17). It is amazing to me how many seasoned pastors and teachers cannot sit down and discuss, verse by verse, what Paul says on those three chapters!

    Let me say it again: Paul says it is NOT him who sins (Rom 7:17,20), you are NOT in the flesh and everyone else is (Rom 8:8,9), and when he says nothing good dwells in him, he backs up and says, “THAT IS, in my FLESH!” (Rom 7:18)

    So why do I still sin? Because although I am a brand new creature, I live in a dead, sin-cursed body!–”…the body is DEAD because of sin…!” (Rom 8:10) I’m not making this up! Read the texts. And this is why Paul, being consistent, says we groan, “waiting for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our BODY!” (Rom 8:23)

    I sin every day, and I hate it more each day because I appreciate God’s holiness more, but I receive heat comfort and a deeper sense of who I am when I agree with God that “it is no longer I who sins.”

    Meditate and pray over these things, my friends.

  19. Thank you Scott for actually engaging the scriptures with these questions.
    Quite refreshing indeed.

  20. Mitchell Hammonds

    Scott,
    If your interpretation is what Paul meant by his statements then it begs the question “Why do we still confess sin?… Why have any adverse attitude toward our sinfulness?”
    Paul refers to himself in the final days before his own death as the “chief of sinners.” Go figure… Paul certainly believed in the simultaneously, yet awkward state, saint and sinner. God’s work is total yet not fully known in this life. This is what the resurrection of the body is for. We are a walking paradox of righteousness and sinfulness as Paul lays out in Romans 6-8.
    Also, prayer and meditation do not magically reveal truth. God’s truth is gained through revelation by way of the Bible primarily through a preacher/teacher… not by osmosis via mystical experience in one’s alone time.

  21. Mitchell,
    I was waiting for someone to play the “chief of sinners” card. I suggest that if you consider the whole statement from 1 Tim 1.12 to 1.16, you will agree that Paul’s reference is to his pre-Christian life. Yes, I know that verse 15 is written in the present tense, but that’s simply because Paul is the same person who once committed those sins. His point is that if Christ was patient and gracious and willing to save him, then he is willing to save anyone who believes.

  22. To use psalm 51 as proof for a sin nature is just not valid. David was born illegitimate, and here, he is declaring that the act of his conception happened in sin. He is not saying that he himself was born sinful. Please throw away the NIV, and don’t study it. It’s translation is plainly wrong ;).

    Romans 5 teaches that if we live our lives patterned after Adam’s humanism and his selfishness, we will develop a sin nature because of our choices and habitual behavior, and we will die. When we pattern our lives after the second Adam, Jesus. serving and loving God with all our hearts, we will live. According to Ezekiel 18, sin is not inherited but chosen. CS Lewis said regarding hell: “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ All that are in Hell, choose it …”

  23. Mitchell, You made some great statements. I love it! I wish I had it all figured out. I wish I knew exactly what the flesh is, and I wish I knew exactly what the inner man is, and I wish I knew exactly how the body, soul and spirit interact! What I do know is that many people I read and listen to are not dealing with the texts. They often do not let Paul say what he says.

    I do know that Paul equates the “flesh” with his body in a very striking way, and that most people I read are unwilling to admit it. I Do know that Paul says twice in four verses that is no longer he who sins, and yet reformed brothers don’t even want to touch it!

    Regarding the confession of sin, (another very good question), several things are worth noting. First, it is intriguing that there is not a single place in Scripture where Paul exhorts Christians to confess their sins! As I am sure you know, the word “confess” means “to say the same thing as,” and every time a Christian sins he painfully agrees with God that it is, in fact, sin, and he hates it! Because Christians are in Christ and Christ is in them, they are constantly aware of their sin and they are constantly agreeing with Christ about that sin, but they are also rejoicing in the fact that those sins were all punished on the cross and that the real source of their sin is now “no longer I, but sin that dwells in me!”

    Now, why did Paul say that he was the chief of sinners? It surely wasn’t to contradict all that he said about being in Christ and about it no longer being him that sins. First of all, he was the chief of sinners because he persecuted Christ and the church. Second, he had more truth given to him than just about anybody else, and yet he still probably sinned every day, and so he certainly felt the gravity of that sin and the responsibility for when he failed to walk in the Spirit and “put to death” the deeds of his body. Guys, we can let Paul say all that he says. We are still sinners in the sense that sin still occurs in our life. But we are not sinners in the sense that the true me is the source of sin anymore. Have you grasped the reason that Paul says “you are NOT in the flesh but in the spirit?” We cannot say that we understand these passages if we are not willing to honestly exegete all of what they say.

    Lastly, I am intrigued by your statement regarding how truth is revealed. I don’t believe in magic, but I do believe that prayer, study, meditation, a teachable spirit and, yes, being in the presence of godly, wise teachers is how we learn as we behold the glory of the Lord in his word. Regarding the critical passages on the man in Christ, I have memorized, studied, meditated, and sat under great teachers for about 40 years, including my time getting my masters degree at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. I Have had particular interest in studying what the Scriptures say about the new creature in Christ during all of that time. I believe God has given me some light that has been confirmed by many other astute teachers and preachers through the years. Have you read what Lloyd-Jones says about the man in Christ in his lectures on Romans?

    Thanks for taking the time to engage me on these great truths!

  24. Mitchell Hammonds

    Scott,
    I enjoy the theological engagement as well! Have a great holiday season my friend.

    Stan Fowler,
    We will have to simply disagree as to how Paul refers to himself. Suffice it to say that each one of us should mirror Paul in calling ourselves “chief of sinners”… I do it with a smile on my face (at times) knowing God is faithful to His promises.

  25. Mitchell Hammonds

    Josh,
    “One is either in a relationship with God or not.”

    Wrong. Every single person has a relationship with God… it simply is a matter of whether God is near in wrath or mercy. Both are relational – it is the mediated relationship through Christ that makes God approachable not your ability to keep God appeased with keeping his Laws. The latter is a paganistic view of God. A worldly view of God.
    A repentant individual agrees with God about his condition and casts his fallen existence on the mercies of God found alone in Christ – not a false pretense of inherent goodness. The parables bring this out greatly – specifically the rich young ruler, the prodigal son.
    Sin, in my understanding, is primarily a condition that produces sinful acts of commission and omission.

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  27. No longer totally depraved “IN CHRIST”!!

    The reality of the “IN CHRIST” organic union means I am no longer sinner, but saint . . . raised up with Him, seated in the heavenly places!!

  28. And John, it is impossible to describe the magnitude if what you just wrote! The two little words, “in Christ,” completely transcend our understanding of reality and existence. Amazing how we can nonchalantly roll them off our tongues!

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  41. Well said Pastor Tullian! Y’know the one thing I love more than anything about Reformed Theology (I’ll be bold enough to say true Biblical Theology) is how quickly it exposes the pride of man which is a testament to our fallen nature. The notion that we are completely reliant on the grace and work of a sovereign God to perfect us is absolutely appalling and absolutely drives us nuts. Yet if we were perfect, and Jesus’s death did completely erase the elect’s sin nature, then why did Jesus teach us to pray ” . . . forgive us our trespasses (sins) as we forgive those who trespass (sin) against us . . . “? And if we were already perfected, what’s the point of Revelations? Why would God judge perfected people? The truth is, we are fallen. We are corrupt. I don’t shy away from using Total Depravity because the offensiveness of the terms is a good thing. It keeps us from getting a big head and it reinforces the whole point of the Bible: we are fallen people who desperately need a Savior and it is only by grace that we are saved.

  42. Blessed is the man in whom the lord will not impute his sin. Legal term refering to as reckoned as such. A christian is no less a sinner than he was before his conversion. He just has Christ status imputed or reckoned to him. He doesn’t become sin free he is treated as though he is sin free.

  43. Big Dale & Co., Two suggestions: Re-read Romans 6-8 several times, and ask yourself if it is possible to say what you just said above in light of Paul’s tedious arguments there to convince us that far more than justification happened through our union with Christ (Could be why he says, “…it is no longer I who sins, but sin that dwells in me,” and “…you are no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit.” There’s about a dozen more where those came from.–Just sayin’).

    Second suggestion: Read Con Campbell’s new book, Paul and Union With Christ (500+ page tome featured on Desiring God a couple of months ago.) Your union with Christ is far more than something relegated to religious talk or “positional truth.” (Unless you don’t believe the Holy Spirit is actually “in you.”) “On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.”-John 14:20

    Blessings.

  44. Were we built this way? Were we made with this sinful nature? If so wherein is the liability if we were built to fail? What is the purpose of creating something that was made to fall only to save it in the end? Maybe similar to saying, I will make a motorcycle that can only go 5kph so I can show it that it can go 100kph, only through my help. should the motorcycle be blamed if it was built to only go 5kph to begin with?

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