Interview with Simon Gathercole on the Gospel of Judas and the Gospel of Thomas
Interviewed by Andy Naselli
Simon Gathercole is Lecturer in New Testament on the Faculty of Divinity at the University of Cambridge (2007– ) and Editor of the Journal for the Study of the New Testament (2007– ). He is already an accomplished scholar, so I was surprised to learn recently that he’s only thirty-five years old. Prior to coming to the University of Cambridge, he taught at the University of Aberdeen (2000–2007), and he taught a PhD seminar on the New Perspective on Paul at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School after he had just turned twenty-seven. In addition to writing the notes on Galatians in the ESV Study Bible, he has authored or edited six books:
- Simon J. Gathercole, Where Is Boasting? Early Jewish Soteriology and Paul’s Response in Romans 1–5 (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2002).
- Stuart Weeks, Simon J. Gathercole, and Loren T. Stuckenbruck, eds., The Book of Tobit: Texts from the Principal Ancient and Medieval Traditions: With Synopsis, Concordances, and Annotated Texts in Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, and Syriac (Fontes et subsidia ad Bibliam Pertinentes 3; Berlin: Walter de Gruyter, 2004).
- T. Desmond Alexander and Simon J. Gathercole, eds., Heaven on Earth: The Temple in Biblical Theology (Carlisle: Paternoster, 2004).
- John M. G. Barclay and Simon J. Gathercole, eds., Divine and Human Agency in Paul and His Cultural Environment (Library of New Testament Studies 335; Early Christianity in Context; London: T&T Clark, 2006).
- Simon J. Gathercole, The Preexistent Son: Recovering the Christologies of Matthew, Mark, and Luke (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2006).
- Simon Gathercole, The Gospel of Judas: Rewriting Early Christianity (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2007).
His most recent book is on the Gospel of Judas, and he is currently writing a commentary on the Gospel of Thomas. So I asked him some questions about them.
1. What exactly are the Gospel of Judas and the Gospel of Thomas? How do they compare to the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John?
To start with, the Gospels of Judas and Thomas are quite different from each other. One is a hard-line Gnostic Gospel: the Gospel of Judas has the standard characteristics which people in antiquity associated with the Gnostics—a view of the creator and his creation as both evil (and both a long way further down in the cosmic hierarchy from the Great Divine Spirit). Thomas is more of an ascetical work, though it also has some pretty unorthodox elements such as finding salvation through self-knowledge in conjunction with Jesus.
On a historical level, too, Thomas and Judas show that they’re a long way removed from the both the culture and theology of Jesus’ real setting: they both reflect a heavily gentile context, in which, for example, the OT is not considered authoritative. In this respect they’re a long way apart from the four canonical Gospels. Most importantly, the central factor in the NT Gospels, the cross and resurrection of Jesus as the saving act of God, is also missing from Thomas and Judas: in these apocryphal texts, “knowledge” is the way to salvation.
2. When were the Gospel of Judas and Gospel of Thomas each discovered? When were they written? And why are they an issue in our popular culture?
They were discovered at different times and are parts of different collections. The Gospel of Thomas was found first, in the codices (bound papyrus books) found near Nag Hammadi in 1945–46: this is a big collection of Gnostic and other literature. The Gospel of Judas was discovered much more recently—probably in the 1970s—but it wasn’t actually published until 2006.
They were probably originally composed at roughly the same time. We can be pretty sure that the Gospel of Judas was written around AD 150 because Irenaeus (writing about AD 180) refers to a Gospel of Judas in his Against the Heresies. Again, we can be fairly certain that the Gospel of Thomas was written in the second century. There are three Greek papyrus fragments of it (only small bits—the whole text survives only in Coptic) from around AD 200–300, and the church Father Hippolytus refers to it around AD 225. But we can also see quite clearly that they don’t pre-date the canonical Gospels: Thomas is influenced in a number of places by Luke’s Gospel and refers to the disciple Matthew (probably a reference to the Gospel of Matthew), and Judas is influenced in a number of places by Matthew’s Gospel.
I think they are an issue in our world because there is a certain fascination with conspiracy-theories generally, whether it’s to do with the assassination of JFK or (especially) when it has to do with church cover-ups. People are all too willing to believe that the church has concealed the truth. It’s partly a cultural thing and partly is fed by the fact that the church sometimes does cover things up, but it’s also a result of sin: people don’t want to believe the truth and so cast around for other explanations instead.
3. Should Christians today know much about the Gospel of Judas and Gospel of Thomas? Why?
Most Christians have no need to know about any of this stuff! I’m sure that in 90% of churches worldwide, these things aren’t an issue. But for some of us in this post-Da-Vinci-Code world, they are. And it’s important that there are some people like Pete Williams at Tyndale House, who has really mastered the Coptic language and so can analyse these apocryphal texts, as well as people like Darrell Bock, who has simplified this material in his book The Missing Gospels.
4. What other writing projects are you currently working on?
None. I do just one at a time.
Thanks, Simon, for serving the readers of Justin Taylor’s blog with this interview!